| Author | Message | ||
     Glitch |
Glitch: You need to find an emoticon that implies"smartass." Best I could do with what we got. How's about a winkie?  | ||
| Reg_kittrelle |
Where's the inconsistency? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I said(as you quote),"shouldn't be considered a sport bike"? What I did say is that the "XR is not a sportbike, per se." Also, I mentioned that Harley doesn't call it one. also... Where did I say, "...the XR is considered to be the better handling bike."? I never used the term "handling." What I did imply by my reference to the M2 is that the XR outperforms it. "If a measure of a sport bike is in it's handling as compared to non-sport bike models, are you saying then that the M2 really shouldn't be considered a "sport bike"? Obviously, not. That one bike might perform better than another does not negate the lesser bike's category. Put another way, that a GSX1000R might outhandle its Honda or Kawasaki competition does not mean that the Honda and Kawasaki are no longer sportbikes. Also, sportbikes (they are a defined category) do not necessarily hold the lock on handling, e.g., most supermotard bikes will outhandle a sportbike on a tight road. Glitch: re the "Winkie". Sorry, I don't swing that way. (Message edited by reg_kittrelle on June 06, 2010) | ||
| Reg_kittrelle |
btw... Here's a pix of H-D's Paul James aboard his full-race XR (The race itself takes place later this p.m. at RA) It has the full V&H race kit  | ||
| Reg_kittrelle |
Oddball... Do luv that Kwacker! Agree re the limited race options. The European racing XRs have a huge advantage in that they are allowed to change the triple T; not so with the AMA bikes. | ||
| Court |
Reg: Good post. I learned something. >>>So this would be a "butt dyno" assessment of performance? I'd trust your butt over many dynos. Not the bike I'd likely be shopping for but I trust and value your opinion. By the way . . . I'd wager on you being faster than most the "sub 40 riders" on Buells. Experience counts. | ||
| Reg_kittrelle |
Can we leave my butt out of future posts... please? Thanx, Court, you just painted a huge target on my back! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Is an M2 not a "sport bike"? | ||
| Gregtonn |
"I had my Buell leaned into the Fish Hook and thought I was doing pretty good. Then Reg passed me on the inside on his Road Glide!" Don't remember who said it but I thought it was pretty funny at the time. G | ||
| Buellkowski |
I twinge whenever I see a pic displaying that drive belt tensioner. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Is an M2 not a "sport bike"? Nope. At least not in any insurance category in Europe. Here it's classed as "Naked" or "Roadster" as is the XR. | ||
| Glitch |
Glitch: re the "Winkie". Sorry, I don't swing that way. I'm actually glad you cleared that up. Can we leave my butt out of future posts... please? Well, ok, but you brought it up. WRT the M2, I'd have to agree, it's not a sportbike right out of the box. I've seen too many of then touch down when a proper sportbike would not. I even saw one touch down so hard that it threw the rider, at less than sportbike speed. | ||
| Reg_kittrelle |
I would dearly love to leave Gregtom's comment as it sits, but... This has popped up a couple of times over the years and, frankly, I have no recollection of that happening. Yes, you're right, I have no recollection of a lot that's happened in my life ...old, you know... but I really don't think that hero move happened. | ||
| Bads1 |
To my understanding Paul had a get off and was brought to the hospital by Ambulance. I know no more but hope he is ok. | ||
| Slaughter |
Brief update on Paul's Facebook: (click) At least he's OK enough to be posting on Facebook. | ||
| Court |
>>>>but I really don't think that hero move happened. Doesn't matter. Fact is . . . Columbus didn't discover America but it COULD have happened and it makes great lore! One of the benefits I derive from my considerable oldocity is knowing better than to mix it up with guys like Reg.  I'd pick a 20 something on a CBR600 to pick on before I challenged anyone with gray hair on a motorcycle. | ||
| Doug_s |
i still find it hard to believe the new hd 1200 is a better bike than the old buell m2. maybe i am going by specs too much, but the m2 w/same hp, better clearance, shorter wheelbase, better weight distribution and more than 100lbs lighter, seems to me to favor the m2 in all areas... doug s. | ||
| Glitch |
i still find it hard to believe the new hd 1200 is a better bike than the old buell m2.  | ||
| Spiderman |
HA! Epic I wish my scanner wasn't broke, I have a crazy pic of Reg an I, him with his tounge out and me with a mohawk LOL | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The suspension would be better. Maybe the braking, but weight, unsprung weight, wheelbase, geometry would have to go to the M2. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
4 of the 16 XR's destroyed themselves during and after the race? Just what I'm looking for in a race bike. Where do I sign up?  | ||
| Kenm123t |
Whne i get the chance I ride with a group of Brit bikers Rider of the Lost Empire great folks. On longer ride the older triumphs stay home and you will find guy riding Buell Bmws Goldwings Ducatis and Hinckly built Triumphs. One things I emjoy the most is watching a Squid that just blew by on a straight section get passsd on a curve by a wing sparking foot boards two up wife has a dvd player and doesnt even bother to look up. Average age of the group 76. Youmger riders forget they old guys survived to get grey. No offense Reg you ride better than you admit I remember from Battle Trax. Oh and can you get Court off the side walks It started with the F 250 | ||
| Oddball |
Rocket, Think those 4 will be at the dealer tomorrow for warranty work? lol (Message edited by Oddball on June 06, 2010) | ||
| Rick_a |
So what I glean from this thread so far is: Erik is not going back to H-D XR outperforms M2 Grey hair=speed and treachery | ||
| Cyclonedon |
So what I glean from this thread so far is: Erik is not going back to H-D XR outperforms M2 Grey hair=speed and treachery Hey! it could be a lot worse! some ••••••• could start talking about politics!  | ||
| Elvis |
Whether or not the XR1200 is faster than a 14 year old Buell doesn't really matter, does it? The fact that there could even be a debate on that point illustrates that the XR1200 isn't a performance bike. The best riders on the XR1200 were at about 2:40. Geoff May was in the 2:15 range. If Harley ever decides to put a bike in Superbike, then things might get interesting. Imagine a day when Harley and Erik Buell Racing are going head to head in Superbike. There's a good chance that won't happen in our life-times, but that would be fun, wouldn't it? (Message edited by elvis on June 07, 2010) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
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| Court |
>>>>If Harley ever decides to put a bike in Superbike Can't happen. | ||
| Patches |
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| Reg_kittrelle |
Now that this thread has sunk to silliness, I was going to move on. But something keeps nagging at me; Glitch's cartoon, the comment from Elvis. Go back to my comment re the XR outperforming the M2. Actually, go back to where I wrote that the XR could "hang with" the M2. Given that these forums are light entertainment, maybe I'm asking too much for you to consider my statements again. Hopefully, I need not define "hang with," but nowhere in that does it say it is faster. "Outperforms" might require a little more explanation. First, I was surprised that no one asked me to define that. I used that term specifically to generate a discussion. My bad. My criteria re motorcycle performance might be different than many of yours. It has nothing to do with racing from property line to property line in Kansas, nor stoplight to stoplight in L.A. It does, however, have everything to do with the complete package: reliability, handling, brakes, quick/fast, and ergonomics. I recognize that my def is mostly irrelevant here as "Patches" cartoon nicely sums up things. I know this will stir the pot, but re that "faster" thing: I don't believe I was ever able to see more than a true 120mph, mebbe 125 mph on a stock M2. My S1 race bike (dyno'ed at 111hp)was lucky to hit 130. The XR's numbers compare favorably with those of the M2, a buck-and-a-quarter is easy to attain. If we start talking "quicker," then the M2 should have the initial edge. | ||
| 007blast |
harleys best shot a fielding a superbike was with Erik, & company. plus hd doesnt need racing, (SOME folks) that buy those overpriced dinosaurs arent worried about performance. all they want is the lifestyle. |
