| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
BTW, wasn't is you who didn't want to turn this into a political blame game? This was pretty much a good thread with good info and little politics. Suddenly you are playing the blame game trying to spin it to another administration. Lame. | ||
| Sifo |
So if your child, unknowingly to you, commits a crime, then you would be to blame? Do you go to jail? Really? Glad I don't have kids... We aren't talking about children here. Well maybe. Why should BO not be held accountable for the cronies he put in place? You are trying to hold Bush responsible for his cronies, aren't you. Very hypocritical. | ||
| Whatever |
Ahhh...  I am done now with it... it is pretty pointless to argue on badweb anyhow... since there are people on here that would blame the volcano going of on Iceland on Obama too... well... it happened when he was in office... | ||
| Sifo |
Are you seriously now comparing it to a natural event? I guess there is no blame, right? | ||
| Whatever |
Does the President of the United States review and provide environmental permits to oil and gas companies... and did he issue one to BP that told them they didn't have to do the quality tests and they didn't have to circulate the mud and check it for methane? Is that in his job description? Do the oil companies executives call him up in the Oval Office and say, "Hey, Barack, I think I would like to drill for oil in the gulf but I do not want to follow best engineering practices of the industry that are in place to protect my workers and the environment. Say, what do you think, if we get behind schedule I would like to skip all that crap, I mean, I know you have two wars on your hands and you are re-structuring the way health care is regulated in the US... But can you just exempt me from the best professional practices that are an industry standard and have been proven to work?" Did the BP executive in charge of that platform have a direct relationship to the President? Really? WOW! Do you think BP calls him "Brother Barack" like the Sauds did with Bush? Very interesting theory there... quite a complex web of corruption... | ||
| Sifo |
Char, you know that Bush is no more directly involved than BO, yet you were blaming his administration. Is BO not responsible for his own cronies? You've had too much to drink to be posting. You're just digging your hole deeper at this point. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"So if your child, unknowingly to you, commits a crime, then you would be to blame? Do you go to jail? Really? Glad I don't have kids..." Yes. In most states you would be liable if your minor children commit crimes. http://www.mwl-law.com/CM/Resources/Parental-Respo nsibility-Chart.pdf Given your ideals and attitude, I'm OK with the fact that you don't have kids too. G | ||
| Blake |
If it was valid to blame Bush for Katrina, then it's valid to blame Obama for the Macondo blowout. I don't hold to either. I HATE even seeing the federal gov't being viewed as the primary body supposedly responsible for local disasters, whether hurricane or oil spill. They should only provide as much assistance as the state(s) request. | ||
| Whatever |
Wow, Blake, you are the voice of reason today !!! What happened... you on Holiday?  I might criticize the response to Katrina... which was a cluster-f at all levels of government... But the fault on the failure of the levees... that one lies squarely with Congress, when the US Army Corp of Engineers has been asking for the money to fix them for the last 40 to 50 years... and not getting it... And whoever decided to build a huge industrial city on an area that was unstable delta mud to begin with... but that is niether here nor there... crap happens... 60% of the large environmental problems we have to remedy today took place before RCRA and Superfund ever came into being in the mid '70s... | ||
| Hex |
Gulf of Mexico oil leak 'could increase by a fifth' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/oil/778785 2/Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-leak-could-increase-by-a-fift h.html | ||
| Hex |
We should offer the deed of claim to any entity who can tame this Beast. | ||
| Sifo |
Char, nice to see you typing sober again. | ||
| Aptbldr |
Video of Soviet's A-bomb 'plug' of out-of-control oil/gas well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU&feature =player_embedded Duplicate post?  [not a good idea, a good related video] (Message edited by aptbldr on June 01, 2010) | ||
| Kenm123t |
Char if your under age child commits a crime and is convicted child goes to JV or to jail You as parent are responsible for civil damages as legal guardian and or parent. The whole responsible adult thing is highly overated | ||
| Sifo |
The fact that Char was wrong in her premise about if a parent could be held responsible for a child really doesn't matter. The parent/child relationship was just an analogy for the President/crony relationship. Where she really ran into trouble is that she is trying to hold GWB responsible for the actions of his cronies, but is giving BO a pass for the actions of his cronies. That's where the discussion just became nothing but a blind partisan argument, exactly what Char said should not be done with a disaster such as this oil spill. Her partisan hypocrisy cup had really overfloweth on this one. | ||
| Cowboy |
I just wonder why any one would want to set off a blast like that when you have to drill a releaf well ---that is what is being done now and kill well with mud and cement---does not contamanate any thing I would think the invermentlist would be going crazzzzy. | ||
| Reindog |
PUI? I've been guilty as charged but maybe only one time | ||
| Cowboy |
Look if you do a blast you have drilled 2 holes for nothing-- with a releaf well as we do it in the good old USA you kill the trouble well plus you go a head and produce the zone through releaf well kinda kill two birds with one stone ---and with no radiation. we have the tech. to place the drill bit just where we want it I doubt the ruskies do they sure did not a few yrs back I dont know how much they have progresed | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
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| Toronto_s3 |
Gulf Oil Spill Estimated Gallons Leaked http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2010/05/29/gulf-oil-spi ll-estimated-gallons-leaked/ | ||
| Whatever |
No Sifo the problem is I am right and you are wrong... Anyhow... I am over it... I just thought it very interesting that report surfaced at this time... when it outlined PAST actions of the MMS... it will be interesting to see if they investigate further actions... 2009 ad 2010 that is... | ||
| Ourdee |
Could have already nuked it. MK99 Betty. If you get your arm cut off in the wilderness, you cauterize it. Come on Big O., authorize it before there is nothing left to save. | ||
| Whatever |
Just what we need... radioactive shrimp...  | ||
| Aesquire |
How about we not nuke anything until it's the next to last resort?? Char, why DO you think this corruption from 3+ years ago surfaces now? An anti-Rahm fellow would say it's a purposeful distraction away from something that the admin. is doing. Doesn't have to have a thing to do with the oil disaster. What did Bosnia have to do with Monica? Nada. But they will always be linked with each other. Was the Bosnian war an attempt at distraction from domestic events? You tell me. A Pro Obama fellow would point to the crooks over at BLM/MLL/TLA as Bush's fault, and use it as an excuse to give the Prez. more power. You tell me. Other than the companies involved, who really look like they made screwups, or cut corners, Blaming Obama for the spill is silly. Blaming Obama for the Coast Guard's response is also silly, based on the ASSUMPTION that BP notified the Coast Guard they notified his staff & Obama said "take care of it, call my staff if things go bad." While I have not heard that assertion, that's all the Prez. is supposed to do. There are plans, and people to do them. Obama isn't a steel pipe kinda guy, did you want him to go down and search for the 11 missing guys? On the Sequioa? On the other hand, BP has giving Obama an awful lot of money. I'd call it massive bribes. You call it cotton candy, I don't care. Just consider the facts. Also got "massive bribes" from Goldman-Sachs, and I'll bet you 1$ got big bribes from the next major corp. that has a big scandal. ( check to see how much the same guys gave to the R's before passing judgment.... Smart companies bribe both sides....unlike my Union. ) Blaming the govt. for failing to do as they were supposed to...without partisan idiocy, is completely legit. The mayor of New Orleans didn't read the disaster plan. He didn't follow it. It had flaws. Remember the School buses? The plan was to use them to evacuate. The plan didn't tell the bus drivers that was their job, so, being smart, they left, making that plan obsolete. ( the plan failed to address drivers at all...  LA state govt. was also obviously bozo's, see the rules for getting federal aid/handing authority to the fed and compare to next door states. FEMA, I just blame Carter. It's his fault. You want to blame Bush or Obama, go ahead. Today..... It SEEMS that the oil booms and vacuum cleaners that were supposed to be ready to go, weren't. I have limited info... could be dead wrong. It IS plain that the barrier dredging requests seem locked in the bureaucracy. Rather than bitch about Obama, It seems to me to be an indictment of relying on govt. on a huge scale. Just as an aside.... why should the Fed have oil booms? A few, sure. But Mississippi has a coast on an oil drilling "sea". Shouldn't almost enough/some gear be in Mississippi's inventory to handle it? ( asking for everything is silly, who'd pay for it? ) Nebraska shouldn't have or pay for ocean booms... the sea they had is long gone. Or is this a federal thing, for maximum coverage & minimum cost? ( and does that logic EVER work? ) | ||
| Cowboy |
Ourdee I guess I am missing something here. We have fought hundreds of battles and lost hundreds of troops and want nuke our enemy--why do you want to nuke one of our most productive bodies of water? | ||
| Cowboy |
Oh one more thing I have not been around much nukes you may have more experence than I with them but when I was pluging the test wells in Nevada (nuke test wells) we were very very concerned about radiation. One thing we need to know is the oil below a formation that will not give up the radiation we sure dont need to put a shot up high. one reason for the Nevada aarea was a formation zone that would with stand the radiation. I want be comfortable with a blast until a study has been made. | ||
| Buell2001b |
epopel balmed katrina on Bush so why cant we blame the British Petroleum Oil spil on BO | ||
| Hex |
https://www.cstars.miami.edu/Media/photo-gallery/oilspill  | ||
| Hootowl |
"But the fault on the failure of the levees... that one lies squarely with Congress, when the US Army Corp of Engineers has been asking for the money to fix them for the last 40 to 50 years... and not getting it..." Actually, the city of NO did get money to beef up the levies from Congress. They spent it on a study to determine whether it was feasible to build a floating barricade for the entrance to the lake. | ||
| Cowboy |
You are wright as rain Hoot. the New Orleans politations stole all the $$$$$$$$$. |
