| Author | Message | ||
     Cecil1 |
GWB was the biggest pile of shit this country has ever seen. Apparently your eyes have been closed for the last couple years. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I hear Zurich is nice.... stable economy, conservative monetary policy, good healthcare, strict immigration policies, and twisty roads..... I would love to wait out this president there, cuz I see no end to his meddling in the foundations of the country, economy and the pursuit of my happiness and money. | ||
| Reindog |
There is a world of symbolic difference between honoring those who have fallen at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier as opposed to some little guy (but honorable) cemetery which happens to be where he will be kegging for the weekend. Not a witch hunt at all. Far from it. Those who screech about GWB here are reminiscent of children arguing that the other kid "did it" somehow excuses their behavior. Any of GWB's foibles are magnified a hundred fold by this Socialist who is attempting to subvert the Constitution. | ||
| Whatever |
I never thought I could feel such intense disdain for a president of the United States of America. With respect, Blake, try eight years of it... like I have... EXACTLY what FINALLY got me to get up off of my arse and campaign for a new President... EXACTLY why the "impossible" happened and Obama got elected... you guys have a problem... try to actually DO something about it...  | ||
| Aesquire |
Rocketsprink, that banner was for the fine men & women who had done exactly that, accomplished a hard mission. The Carrier group was returning to the U.S., and Bush the younger was the first President to trap on a carrier ( as a passenger, he's never been a Naval Aviator, just a F-102 jock ) Maybe only the second person who became President to do so, I'm not sure. Since his Father did so as a Lt. back in WW2, before & after he was shot down. That banner is for the crew. They deserved it. I freely admit it's horrible PR, for Bush, but Bush was famous for that. At least he didn't give an Ipod with his speeches to a Queen. ( the class in that act.....priceless.) You may feel free to dislike the former pres. I certainly had issues with many of his policies, especially the spending, and the border/amnesty bills. Since the new guy spent more in 1 year than Bush in 8.... I feel free to dislike him. I did approve a few of Obama's promises. "don't ask, don't tell" policy is bad. He hasn't fixed it yet, he sent it to a study group. So I can't call FAIL on that one yet. Doesn't matter what your view on gays in the military, Don't ask/don't tell is fundamentally dishonest, like the guy who made it the rule. Understandable, that Clinton would like the idea of forbidding Hillary to ask if he's screwing around though... Medical marijuana. Obama told the feds to not enforce the law. ( not sure on the legality of that ) If you have friends on Chemo, or the Aids cocktails, sometimes mm is the only drug that lets you live. I'm sure there are a few other things I'd agree with Obama on....just can't recall them right now. Since the market crash the week he was nominated, till now when we are told to expect 20% unemployment as the norm, Not fond of his policies. Even the neocon economists predicted a recovery by last november. why is a topic for a different thread. If Obama wasn't so full of it in his spin, this absence from Arlington wouldn't be a big deal at all. He IS doing a Memorial Day service. Really, only a jerk who says one day he's not going to rest until....( the oil spill is this weeks never resting promise ) and promptly goes on "vacation"....again.... deserves this criticism. I think he does, but it is a bit petty. Whatever, still waiting to hear your opinion on the difference between fascism, communism, progressivism...... Should I start a different thread for that? With respect and good will, I assure you. I want to know your opinion. I don't think Obama's election was "impossible". Why? Because of the racism of the Democrat party, historically? I figure they are just faking it to look good. ?? Because he's very much to the left of his public persona after the primaries? He's not the first politician to present a moderate face when he's not. Works all too often. ( both sides of the extreme do it ) Also, if Condi Rice had run, I think she would have won. That would have been the first Women Prez. Yea! Thank you. The "crotch salute" stuff is annoying, I'll grant you that...plus the bowing to kings, ...etc.etc. Protocol office still there? | ||
| Etennuly |
What happens to J.Q.Public when he refinances his home/future, like all of these new add campaigns are telling him he needs to do, when these banks are owned by the g'bment due to the stimulus bill bail outs? Are we building some new National Parks in subdivisions all across America? I'm gonna go for a ride!  | ||
| Sifo |
The vast majority of home loans are already owned either by Freddie, Fannie, or FHA. The government has already seized... er... foreclosed on many thousands of homeowners. I've been trying to work out what the government will do with all this property for a while now. I don't have an answer to that one. I got rained on coming home from work today. First time all week I actually felt a bit cool. Made getting rained on enjoyable after the heat we've had this week! | ||
| Stalker |
Give him a break, I would rather see benBiden there rather than him any way. He wouldnt get away with not having his tele-prompter, and just bashing our country. Hes better off having his weekend BBQ with MR. Wright and MR. Ayres.Maybe some of those chickens they are bringing home to roost? I can already see a photo'op in the Gulf and the reporter will tell you how great he is for taking time away from his family on this holiday weekend. Maybe he will give his first press conference in over 6 months? | ||
| Blake |
"Blake, now you know how millions of Americans felt about the previous douche bag. Hope you get 6 more years of it too." I don't recall reading any similarly extreme views of Bush 43 here that rival my extreme disdain for Obama. I don't just see him as unfit. I see him as an enemy of freedom. Certainly no one here felt such disdain for Bush in his first two years. There is no comparison. Why you choose to support Obama I'll never know. He's dishonest to the core, provably so many times over. Disgusting. | ||
| Blake |
Char, Get active? Sure thing. You've heard of the tea party movement? I'm there. | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Blake. Your hero Bush 43 dragged America into Iraq which has killed thousands of American for a lie, (WMD's if you recall). Bush is the bigger douche of the two. | ||
| Stalker |
Well I guess T3 is still sad MR. hussain was brought to justice. Do you wish he was still in power and taking care of his people? | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Stalker: Prior to Bush and 9/11 you didn't give a damn about Iraq or Saddam Hussein. America was happy with sanctions and isolating that regime. If you personally have a problem with the oppressed people of the world why aren't you outraged about the people of North Korea or Zimbabwe and writing letters to your congressman. Bush and his handlers lied to the American people and as a direct result got over 4000 Americans killed and counting. It's cost the US government a trillion dollars and for what? Obama might be a screw up but he won't be having any US troops killed over any bullsh_t made up "intelligence". | ||
| Stalker |
Dont tell me I didnt give a crap, For your information i have had family... CLOSE family in the sandbox since 1993.  Your intelligence isnt worth debating. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Toronto: Your hero Bush 43 dragged America into Iraq which has killed thousands of American for a lie, (WMD's if you recall). Are you sure about that? Uranium found in Iraq is being processed for use in nuclear reactors right there in your own province of Ontario. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/ | ||
| Court |
Obama has made the United States a laughing stock in many parts of the world. He's a national embarrassment at the very least and likely a criminal. Keep an eye on Rahm . . . . even though he's a bit hard to find in the midst of this "who offered the dude a job to withdraw from the race" furor. | ||
| Reindog |
Whatever, As much as it makes me grit my teeth, you had a viable option: John McCain. McCain was in no way GWB's so-called third term. A more apt description would have been Gerald Ford's second term. Relatively harmless as Joe Biden would have been. They are hacks but neither pose the danger that this Socialist bum is doing to our Republic. Rahm is a self hating Jew which really makes me mad. He is a smart feller who is complicit in damaging Israel. That is unforgivable. | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Stalker: So just so we are straight here. I would like for you to tell me that prior to 9/11 you personally felt sympathy for the people of Iraq. How did these feelings manifest themselves for you? Did you write any letters? Did you join the military in case there was an Iraqi attack against the US? Did you contribute any money to any Iraqi relief agency? Did you change anything in your life in any way? Of course not. You, like every other American didn't give a damn about the people of Iraq until George Bush 2 told you to. People are presently starving in North Korea right now. Why aren't you marching in the streets demanding action? You're sheep that's why. You wouldn't even be chirping off about the people of Iraq right now if some republican speech writer hadn't written that down on paper for you to presently parrot. Indy: Yellow cake is not a nuclear weapon. If possession of yellow cake is some sort of international crime then why doesn't the US invade every country that possess' the stuff. By your logic North Korea should be invaded for it's nuclear program or perhaps Iran, or Pakistan. Every country that is hostile to the US that has nuclear material should be invaded then. Good luck with that. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I staged in Diego Garcia in 1998 for that exact purpose; just because it never hit the press, dont think we werent looking at options and contingencies when India and Pakistan were lighting off Nukes... oh but who was in office then ?.... The same guy that gave the 'Stand down' order to AC-130s when we were in Somalia because they were too 'political' | ||
| Cyclonedon |
While you are entitled to your opinion i think at times some of these threads are a bit of a witch hunt. I would have to say that your correct on that statement. About 99.9% !!! but if we keep posting, maybe someone will post something about motorcycling!  | ||
| Cyclonedon |
I'm gonna go for a ride! sorry Entenny, I had missed your post and I think that is the best idea I've seen posted on this tread. | ||
| Whatever |
Um... I don't consider someone who would outlaw a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body as harmless... just sayin... not an option... | ||
| Sifo |
Toronto, The UN dropped the ball on Iraq. It was coming to a head before 9/11 for anyone paying attention. Iraq was ignoring every UN resolution that was passed with no consequence. At the same time liberals were whining about how many children were dying because of the sanctions in Iraq. The funny thing is that if you were to listen to the left, far more people were dying from the sanctions than have died in total as a result of the war in Iraq. In other words if you were to take the numbers that the left throws out we now would have a positive number of people that haven't died because of the war in Iraq. So it seems that either GWB has saved millions of people's lives, or the left is full of it. | ||
| Trojan |
Obama has made the United States a laughing stock in many parts of the world. I don't want to get involved in any internal US political debate as it isn't anything to do with me as an outsider, however the above statement is plain wrong Court. According to ALL research done since Obama came to power he has made massive leaps in restoring international faith in the US, and has changed international opinion from being pretty anti US back to a measure of appreciation and respect. Bush did a very good job of ruining Americas international reputation over the years so Obama still has work to do but is certainly geting there as far as the rest of the world is concerned. | ||
| Aesquire |
Since Toronto_s3's position is based on enemy propaganda, most of which has been disproved by actual facts, arguing with him is futile. He simply won't believe you, since he is certain of the lies he clings to. No sense in detailing the hundreds of poison gas shells found, the stockpiles of chemicals shipped to Syria, the germs stored in scientists homes awaiting the lifting of sanctions and the renewal of an arsenal that the late unlamented Saddam claims to have destroyed with no proof other than the word of a mass torturing murderer. Why bother? His faith in the propaganda exceeds his grasp on reality. Good thing he's not Kurdish. He does, oddly, have a good point. Why does America persist in not being the World Police and conquer all dictators so Toronto can claim we unfairly removed the "popular" Kim or the "peoples choice" Mugabe? How angry could we make him if we freed another 50 million people from tyranny? I doubt he could handle the strain. I was in favor of taking out Saddam before 9/11. He was in violation of the cease fire, and slaughtering his own people. But I have Iraqi customers who begged me to tell the President to do so. To my shame I didn't think Bill would listen. I personally would love to finish the war in Korea, the only question is how to do so without having to destroy China? My father was there in the 50's, and ignoring China was a big mistake. Should we slaughter millions of people to free N. Korea? Would it take the decapitation of China to allow us to depose Kim? How about we end all sanctions and aid. Total embargo by sea. Let China support the mad man alone. Prepare for massive strikes on the immense N.Korean Army when ( not if ) they invade. I'm open to suggestions. As always in these threads I ask for rational suggestions.....and expect deafening silence. Repeating propaganda is so much easier than actual thought. Trojan, really? Who likes us better now? Russia? Zimbabwe? Do the English like the current communist that gave the Queen an Ipod with his speeches? It seems to us he'd have let the Germans invade you guys if he was in charge in the 1940's. I suspect some psych issue with his father and England..... It's a bit scary. | ||
| Cowboy |
You know you have a good preident when the res of the world dont like him. I damn sure dont need one that kisses all forien asses. As most out side of our borders have thier hands out for a freeBBBB. I dont have much use for the rest of the world. | ||
| Trojan |
Trojan, really? Who likes us better now? Russia? Zimbabwe? Do the English like the current communist that gave the Queen an Ipod with his speeches? It seems to us he'd have let the Germans invade you guys if he was in charge in the 1940's. I suspect some psych issue with his father and England..... It's a bit scary. What? I think you must read the wrong newspapers somehow  We don't have a communist governrment (in fact it is a right wing contolled coalition with a left/centre minority). Russia probably does actually have better relations with the US now than under GWB, as does the whole of western Europe and most of the developed world too. There will always be countries such as Zimbabwe and N.Korea that don't like anyone, so forget them  The misquoted and out of context quotes by Nick Clegg relating to the war have been blown out of all proportion, but basically all he ever said was that maybe the British tend to 'overcelebrate' the war these days (which in some circumstances he is probably right). As for most of the world wanting freeBBBB's from the US, I think most people realise that the US has its own problems to solve too, and most developed countries are having their own crisis to concentrate on right now. Those in Europe are turning to Germany and France for help rather than the US. No sense in detailing the hundreds of poison gas shells found, the stockpiles of chemicals shipped to Syria, the germs stored in scientists homes awaiting the lifting of sanctions and the renewal of an arsenal that the late unlamented Saddam claims to have destroyed with no proof other than the word of a mass torturing murderer. Why bother? His faith in the propaganda exceeds his grasp on reality. Good thing he's not Kurdish. The thing that we (USA/UK/France)tend to forget in this anti Saddam argument is that we actually sold him those weapons in the first place when he was our best buddy and fighting a war against Iran. He didn't develop them, he bought them, from us. | ||
| Aesquire |
We don't have a communist governrment (in fact it is a right wing contolled coalition with a left/centre minority). No, no, I meant Obama...he's our current communist. ( although some would argue he's post communist progressive or some such.... ) While the U.S did aid Saddam against the mullah's in Iran, we didn't sell him poison gas shells. I don't think the U.K. did either. France? maybe. They certainly didn't pay attention to the arms embargo after the Kuwait war. We certainly didn't sell him the poison gas he used on the Kurds. We don't make any. ( any stockpiles we have under guard left over from the planned invasion of Japan have long degraded awaiting permission to destroy them... I don't think the greenies ever have let us finally incinerate the crap ) How far back on the blame game? The Allied "creation" of Iraq after WW1? Is it Churchill's fault? Or Wilson's? While you dig up complaints from the 20th century...... Press gangs from Britain....oh, Nevermind!  | ||
| Trojan |
While the U.S did aid Saddam against the mullah's in Iran, we didn't sell him poison gas shells. I don't think the U.K. did either. France? maybe. I'm pretty sure the UK sold him chemical weapons technology in the 1970's and I was also pretty sure the US did the same (but I wasn't there to witness it so can't say 100%). The Russians probably did the same with Iran, as that is the way things worked back in the good old cold war days. Part of our (THE WEST) problem is that we tend to support anyone who will fight governments we don't like rather than just leave the little countires to sort their own problems out. Unfortunately we don't look too closely at the people we are supporting when maybe we should have. Hence we find we have elevated People like Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and countless South American dictators etc into power only then have to deal with the fallout (sometimes literally) later. While you dig up complaints from the 20th century...... Press gangs from Britain....oh, Nevermind! I shan't mention John Paul Jones 'invasion' of Cumbria then | ||
| Aesquire |
I shan't mention John Paul Jones 'invasion' of Cumbria then Thanks, I'd hate to make anyone upset about the Raid on Lindisfarne either. I suspect my great-great- was in on that one. I agree with your complaint re: supporting crappy dictators against Soviet supported crappy dictators. Saddam is an example of that idiocy. Wish I knew what to do about that. Our State Dept. is seriously infested by Soviet influenced leftists and droids who could really care less about anything but advancing their careers. Can we use them to plug the oil leak? Please? |
