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Court
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2010 - 06:23 pm: | 
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Try this practical experiment for a cleared understanding . . .
Next time you are pulled over and the office trots up to the car and say "license, registration and insurance". . . tell him/her to go fqck themselves.
Keep notes. |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2010 - 06:36 pm: |
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Court, you've missed my points.
1. Just because the cops could constitutionally question Mena about her immigration status it doesn't mean that she was compelled to provide the information. She was not under arrest, handcuffs notwithstanding.
2. An operator of a motor vehicle who has been pulled over by LEO has been reasonably presumed to have broken the law. A person standing on a streetcorner is reasonably presumed to have broken what law? |
Britchri10
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2010 - 07:09 pm: |
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Loitering......?
Chris C |
Buellerxt
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 01:28 am: |
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You are spot on, Court. Good job. The leftists want the votes for the Big Government cesspool they are building with borrowed dollars so they'll never listen to your very solid points. Here is a legislator who stands up for America, unlike the traitors who sucked up to the empty suit phony from Mexico today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPGkwbWYaH4 |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 09:48 am: |
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that was great bueller. although i would like to see them all replaced, i at least hope that the good ones get to stay around. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 10:46 am: |
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Kowski,
Court, Tom, and MIke and others have answered. Thanks amigos.
I think what you've stated is now accurate. Under federal law, which supersedes state law, we are all compelled to provide proof of legal residency if requested.
What happens if we refuse even if we are indeed legal? They then have probable cause and would likely arrest.
Tom,
I have some more for that "ID Please" block of cartoons.
Try ordering an alcoholic beverage in Texas without first showing I.D.
Try renting any equipment or vehicle without showing I.D.
There's probably hundreds of other situations where we are compelled to show our I.D.
Darkdingbat:
>>> "Do you all really think that it's ok to grab people off the streets and demand a Birth certificate? And you call the dems Nazis."
Don't be an dishonest idiot.
1. No one here called the Dems Nazis.
2. We are not talking about "grabbing people off the street." We are talking about requesting proof of legal status, documentation showing legal presence in America, something that is required by federal law of every single non-resident in the country. In requesting documentation of legal status, the police do not "grab people off the streets."
Either get honest, or cease polluting the discussion. Your choice. |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 12:44 pm: |
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Unfortunately the same sorts of ill researched, ill conceived and ill informed arguments that we see here seem to have permeated the national debate.
I am amazed.
Even as I kid I had the "work hard and earn it" and "if you break it, fix it" sort of old fashioned mentality drilled into me.
We seem to have reached, perhaps exceeded by a 51%/49% margin, the tipping point where more folks embrace a "give it to me" attitude than an "I'll work hard, save and buy it" way of thinking.
I see it here on Badweb with, otherwise sane, folks who buy into this "Ban the American Flag" and "I am entitled to it" thinking and I see it in my students.
I just flunked a guy in my first semester teaching at Columbia. He had 4 degrees, including a law degree, and is practicing lawyer doing civil rights work. He lives on "entitlement", suing folks for what other folks think society owes them. Apparently some of the thinking rubbed off on him . . . . he's been admitted to various schools based on "minority quotas" and I suspect (no way of knowing other than his performance in my class) that he's become accustomed to the "no child left behind" way of thinking.
Fortunately (and I attribute much of it to pure luck). .not knowing how to grade . . I derived a very objective method that allowed students to achieve 40 points a week. It relied on their performance, not my interpretation of it.
Bottom line is that my ducks were in order, the grade appeals board laughed the guy out and I told him "if you want to sit on your ass and think someone's going to pass you just for being an "impacted class" . . . do it somewhere other than my classroom".
I am an •••••••.
This sort of laziness is evident all over America. . . . from the gal, who they continue to show clips of on TV, who was sure "when Barack gets elected I won't have to play my rent or gas anymore" (no shit, folks bought into that) to the folks who have figured out the unemployment game as the newest form of employment.
The administration, ride with idiots like Holder and Posner, has touted a "this is what we inherited" and "the economy is turning around". I suggest that the tragic unemployment figures released yesterday and the volatility in the market over the past two weeks hints that we "ain't seen nothing yet". Damn tough to turn anything around when hundreds of thousands of folks, union and non-union, are loosing jobs weekly.
As companies like Harley-Davidson leave Milwaukee and take millions in tax revenues we're likely to see more and more parts of the nation facing the California dilemma. Want to see a way to create a stupid society? . . . close libraries to save money while you are paying teaching who sexually fondles kids $150,000 to sit in a "rubber room" since you aren't allowed, under union contract, to fire them.
It's pretty •••••• up and I'd not be surprised to see neither a Republican or Democratic party surviving in the next 36 months . . . folks, normal folks who ordinarily fall into the "I' don't want to get involved" are suddenly getting involved and are asserting themselves.
You likely drew me in when you tried to tell me it was "illegal" to recite the Pledge of Allegiance" in an American classroom. I may make my students start doing it.
When we decide to get off out collective asses. . take responsibly for out actions . . . have the balls to fire non-performers and realize that you have to be able to pay for it to buy it . . . we can start making the turn. There is little hope, given the current group of nimrods at the helm, of that happening.
I'm in the process of ordering a pricey toy (yep, I worked hard for it) and am committed to find a way) since there are now so damned many of them) to letting the federal government pick up a significant portion of the tab . . I think I've found a way.
If you are stuck with the system . . at least use your training and smarts to scam it like everyone else, right?
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Buellerxt
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 12:50 pm: |
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Ray's humorous take on America's stupidity. The empty suit in the White House would probably love this kind of recognition and take it as HIS national anthem. Shameful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE |
Reindog
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 01:07 pm: |
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Fantastico post, Court.
I have been working seven days a week (at least for the past few weeks) since I landed my job and am loving it. I am totally grateful for my employer taking a chance on hiring a 57-year old scrubby who had been funemployed for thirteen months. I can't wait to tell you Badwebbers the products we are going to get into your home soon! You are going to snatch them up!
I scoff at the phrase that the illegals do the jobs that Americans refuse to do. This WILL change as many Americans use up their options as soon as this Socialist government careens into the bankrupt state it is headed towards. I am not above doing crap work as I have done a LOT of it when I was younger. I chose to get an education and work hard even though there isn't and never was a guarantee that I would be handed a good paying job as a result. The entitlement attitude in America today is epidemic. I just had dinner with my friends parents last night who lived through the Depression. They are quite Liberal but they scoff at the attitudes that the Spoiled Generation professes. The trouble is that the Spoiled Generation doesn't even realize they are spoiled. I am a member tween these two but I am just grateful, grateful, and grateful.
Those who hire illegals should pay heavy penalties including jail time. It might be time to jettison both political parties. Maybe the time IS right for a tea party. |
Buellerxt
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 01:18 pm: |
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Great post, Court, and good on ya' Reindog!
I agreed with your post 100% until that last point, Court, though I don't blame you given the state of America. I know you have to be tempted with all the 'takers' America has today, and all the 'takers' breeding 'takers' but I'd counsel not to join the scum. At least we can leave with our dignity whether the jokes on us or not.
Okay, I'm getting away from this political stuff, putting my head back in the sand to protect my sanity, and getting back to talking about bikes!
(Message edited by buellerxt on May 22, 2010) |
Kc10_fe
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 01:21 pm: |
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YOu all know this could have very easily been fixed for almost nothing. There is 1500 miles of border that needs to be secured. There are literally 500,000+ sq miles used by the military for ranges and impact zones. Clean up every old range/zone to make them habitable/farmable/livable. Offer that to the farmers and ranchers that would be displaced when the 1500 mile bombing range/impact zone/proving grounds is installed between out best buds down south and ask them to choke on NAFTA. /rant |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 06:55 pm: |
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I consider the citation of Mena as legal precedent that we are all compelled to provide local (that is, not Federal) law enforcement with proof of legal residency to be ill-researched.
I consider arguments equating display of proof of identity with proof of legal residency to be ill-informed. Folks with valid drivers licenses can overstay their visas, yes? Does a pedestrian's failure to posess a drivers license constitute "probable cause" for arrest under SB1070?
I consider the arguments and legislation of those who would condone abridgement of civil liberty to be ill-conceived. Though its intent is honorable, SB1070 stinks because it conflicts with another statute that protects a detained person's rights, and the portions devoted to ascertaining legal residency status function only by a presumption of guilt, likely against an ethnic/racial profile. To paraphrase Rand Paul, that's un-American.
Lest the "informed" minds present on this thread get the wrong idea, I am not defending illegal immigration. If an illegal is under arrest, throw every book on the shelf at them. Deploy more ICE and Border Patrol agents, jail employers of undocumented workers, even build the farking electric fence if you truly want to curtail illegal immigration.
Like it or not, every living soul within the boundaries of the USA is entitled to due process of the law, citizen or not, legal or illegal. Would some of you decry that fact as an undeserved "entitlement" to some in our society? |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 07:38 pm: |
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>>>>I consider the citation of Mena as legal precedent that we are all compelled to provide local (that is, not Federal) law enforcement with proof of legal residency to be ill-researched.
Ok
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