| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
"I never excused the criminal behavior of the police officer in this situation. I simply said it doesn't surprise me that such a thing happens in the United States of America with all of the handguns that are so prevalent amongst the U.S. citizenry. " Actually some of what you stated was...
Americans expect to not be shot in the back when complying with a traffic stop.
Falsehood #1.
Falsehood #2.
Falsehood #3.
Falsehood #4.
Falsehood #5.
Then that would be premeditated cold-blooded murder. The law is that if they are unsure of justification, they must not employ deadly force, period, no matter how scared they may be. Cowards need not apply.
Blatant lie and falsehood #6.
Falsehood #7. Outside of the topical incident, name three in the past year. You cannot. It is a lie. I recall that such an incident did happen a few years back in England on a subway platform. Guns are banned in England. They shot and killed an unarmed man. Must have thought he was a gun totin' American. 
Falsehood #8. Some cops may be cowards operating in constant fear for themselves. If so, they have no business being cops patrolling with guns in public. Most are not. An old friend of mine is a SWAT team member. He once took fire but didn't return until he could absolutely visibly verify the perpetrator holding the weapon. Actually I think he tackled the shooter. Lt. Les Fetterman, Erie, PA SWAT. Incident was years ago, possibly before he joined SWAT. Les' reaction while under fire was exactly opposite the behavior of the back-shooter. Explain. I will. Les is well-trained, competent, and no coward. The back-shooter cop either incompetently/accidentally discharged his weapon or he is a coward. Cowards make really poor police officers.
Falsehood #9. Per nationmaster.com the total of 9,369 firearm murders in America in 2002 divided by 365 days equals 25 murders per day. Your information is false. Your logic is false. Your theory is false. Your behavior here is blatantly unacceptable. You owe everyone here a sincere apology for your horrendously poor behavior. | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Blake. In Canada there is no crime classified as rape. The classification is defined as sexual assault. The reason for the discrepancy between the two countries is there is a stringent standard for sexual assault in Canada, which includes inappropriate touching. For example, if I was at a bar and grabbed a woman by the breast without her consent that would be grounds for a charge of sexual assault. If I was at work and patted a woman on the ass that would be grounds for sexual assault. There are not more 'rapes' occurring in Canada, just more reported cases of sexual assault. I hope this helps. I would also like to add that hockey fights should not be classified as aggravated assault in Canada but unfortunately that is not the case. There should be a separate category for hockey fights in the Canadian criminal code in my opinion but unfortunately they also get lumped in with general aggravated assault. Hockey fights sort of balloon the numbers. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
For example, if I was at a bar and grabbed a woman by the breast without her consent that would be grounds for a charge of sexual assault. If I was at work and patted a woman on the ass that would be grounds for sexual assault. Last i checked, that is sexual assault in the US too.. Rape is Rape.... | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
toronto, I have two dogs that eat alot and crap in the back yard. Each week I have to pick the crap up and dispense of it. This bland and repetitious task is more rewarding and offers more satisfaction than reading the crap youve dropped in this thread. Innocent victims and their families of violent crimes can thank people like you who spread lies about firearms and support politicians who write laws that restrict their use. You perpetuate the notion that being armed is criminal or neanderthal and help turn away new 2nd amendment supporters. I have nothing against Canadians but I wish more Americans like you would move to Canada. You deserve each other. Your wiki link on guns per capita was done by small arms survey in 2007. 90 guns per 100 Americans. Since the last election I would say its closer to 150 guns per 100 Americans. You see, here in America we dont like people like you telling us we cant protect ourselves. So you might as well just keep your pie hole shut. | ||
| Hootowl |
Not if it's not "rape rape" | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Blake. I was RIGHT!!! You are FALSE!!! "In 2009, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 20099. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2010;49 (8).)" This statistic includes suicide if that makes you feel any better. YOUR information covers the period from 1998-2000. You can look it up on the source menu in the top right above the graph. Blake said. " Outside of the topical incident, name three in the past year. You cannot. It is a lie." Why I should have to name three in a year is sort of arbitrary I think considering only one example should do but I can name one kid that got shot by a cop playing 'cops and robbers'. But damn I missed your cut off deadline by one day. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/11/boy-sh ot-toy-gun-cops-robbers Oh wait, I found this one too... http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2010/02/01/te en-shot-by-police-was-holding-a-toy-gun Here's a bunch but I can't bother to see if the U.S. kids that got shot by police officers fall within your one year time line. So they must be FALSE!!! Poor kids. http://www.accessexcellence.org/HHQ/qow/qow09/qow0 90609.php | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Johnnymceldoo . I don't get it. How am I pushing a political agenda or spreading lies by commenting that there are fewer guns in Canada and fewer gun related deaths in Canada and therefore cops with less twitchy trigger fingers. Buy all the guns you want I really don't care. You have your gun laws and Canada has separate gun laws and its all good. I don't think any sane person here (except for Blake and Court) can argue that per capita Canada has fewer guns and fewer gun related deaths. You guys feeling threatened or something? It's like I'm arguing with five year olds here. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The cops I have talked to will relax when they find out the person they stopped is a CCW holder. It is as close as they will ever get to knowing for sure the person in front of them is person is NOT a felon and does NOT have a warrant. Look up the statistics on criminal shootings, and see what percentage of the perps had a previous felony or open warrant. Then you will find the real problem. The solution is obvious, make it illegal for criminals to carry guns. Oh wait.  | ||
| Reindog |
Either you are an old school New Yorker or you suffer from Tourettes Syndrome of the fingers. Do you use this kind of language with your clients? The hurlage that you spew is rather entertaining but you fail to communicate with your audience. One tends to view your outrageous behavior rather than the words that you use to support your tantrum. I feel lonely. Could you add me to your spewage or if not, could you at least chilleth out? | ||
| Aesquire |
"gun related deaths". not the same as murders. also, "gun related deaths" is bogus. Lets see. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr50/nvsr50_15 .pdf Page 10. Ah! I've seen this one before. 776 killed by AD's??? bull. This study is infamous for it's deliberate flaws. It's been politicized, CDC has no business doing accident or murder studies. They are pretty good on the infectious disease front though. They should keep watching for Ebola. Would you like me to get you a better source for lies about guns? The "exploit a crippled guy for political gain" guys can give you lots of lies, packaged real nice, for free. let me know. Five year olds? Well, I do enjoy Canada's Wonderland. Are you feeling picked on? I admit I skipped some of this thread. The guys who know reality, the LEO types and honest citizens all have it right. It was a bad shoot. I'm not sure if it's an accidental discharge, or really, really, bad judgment. In either case I see no way it's not the cops fault, but I wasn't on the Jury, and don't have all the facts. ( btw telling a lawyer you think he's a piece of feces during jury selection may get you contempt charges....unless the judge agrees with you,) | ||
| Petereid |
On behalf of the other 30 million Canadians I would like to apologize for Toronto_s3. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
A cool thing about Canada is they do not have an import ban on firearms like the US does. | ||
| Swampy |
Apology accepted, Eh? Peterid, you get the Molsen Toronto_s3, you are required to drink Bud lite for the next 10 years, or until you get it right. | ||
| Petereid |
Depends on the firearms John | ||
| Rageonthedl |
newest video http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/loc al&id=7435861 | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Petereid, I read a post on another forum where a guy bought an IMI Tavor. Its the new Israeli bullpup. Sweet rifle and I was a little jealous. | ||
| Blake |
"gun-related deaths" It apparently takes a genius to understand the difference between deaths and murders. "Gun-related deaths" would include... suicides (at least you recognize that), also the use of deadly force in self-defense, deadly force in defense of the public, also accidental deaths. We were talking about murders. Try to focus. The cases you offer as examples in support of your contention that... "But you hear all kinds of news reports of kids getting shot by cops with toy guns in their hands, or getting shot by cops while reaching into their glove compartments after being pulled over." kid - noun When someone says a kid with a toy gun is shot, I imagine a small child, not a 15 or 16 year old young man. You originally cited two examples of police shooting people that "happen all the time", kids with toy guns and people reaching into the glove compartment. Why three, well if as you contend it "happens all the time" rather than rarely, then it should be no trouble to find three examples. Your first example is over a year old. Even so,
The toy/replica gun didn't have the orange painted barrel to so designate it a toy; the "boy" was 15 years old, man-sized; he blatantly disobeyed police orders choosing instead to point the weapon at the police. He got himself shot. Duh! In America, in Canada, anywhere common sense is allowed to exist, when a young man points a gun at police, it is expected that police respond to defend themselves. They have an solemn obligation to do so. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8044069.stm Your second example involves much the same situation, a 16 year old young man aiming very real-appearing gun at police.
Your third example lists two examples, the same one as the first, and one from 1994. FAIL. You found one solitary example in the past year. A 16 year old pointing a real-appearing gun at police. You found ZERO examples of your glove compartment shooting scenario. FAIL. You contend that police shoot kids with toy guns or people reaching into their glove compartment, that it "happens all the time", but cannot find more than a single example from the past year, and the examples you do manage dig up are not of small "kids" but of 15 and 16 year old boys who disobeyed the police and aimed their real-appearing guns at them. FAIL. What is funny is that your third example hyperlink includes descriptions of two instances where police were confronted by real-appearing toy guns in the hands of youngsters and they did not fire on the children. Which contradicts your whole premise. As stated earlier, your perception of reality is imagined, possibly infused from fictional entertainment, whatever, it is bogus and false. FAIL. (Message edited by blake on May 12, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
You contend that more guns equates to more murders by guns and thus more fear and likelihood that police will shoot unarmed people. Using that same logic, then in America we must also have more knives and blunt instruments, as our murder rates with those items exceeds the tallies in Canada by 50%. Again, you owe everyone here an apology for your disgraceful behavior. | ||
| Blake |
Peter, We'd never hold it against the great nation of Canada. Jerks come from all nations. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Jerks come from all nations. And stick to the internet like cat fur to peanut butter. | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
"And stick to the internet like cat fur to peanut butter." How many times have you posted on BadWeb now Court? | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
Jerk and ignorant, media fed lemming aren't necessarily the same things. Toronto_s3 could be quite a nice guy just drank too much of the Cool aid. Just like the rest of the world... always a bitch or comment about how bad Americans are, about whatever subject in whatever way and how much better "Their" particular country is on said subject. I especially like the folks that are here on work visa making these statements. Bottom line: quit arguing with this guy, you wont change his view point and a troll LOVES to be fed. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I apologize if it seemed at any point that my intent was to malign Canada. What I said was intended to be a joke, a poor one, and I added a disclaimer to that effect. I do not, however, apologize for calling the name-calling little child known as Toronto_s3 an idiot. I maintain that he was, is, and most likely ever will be, an idiot. | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
"I maintain that he was, is, and most likely ever will be, an idiot." There's always that possibility (look! an idiot!)  --> Toronto_s3 | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
Wait... more appropriately Out'ta my way... I'm an American!  --> Toronto_s3 | ||
| Pwnzor |
God bless our Great Nations, The United States of American and Canada alike. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.  Homemade, in the USA! Defended by weapons from all over the globe... equal opportunity killers, no discrimination whatsoever. | ||
| Preybird1 |
ha ha nice pic!   | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
LOL, I think the smiley faces are to hide their identity for more purposes then just the guns.   | ||
| Prowler |
ME: Since it never gets warm in Canada, there'd obviously be less gun incidents.........  BLAKE: Shame on anyone sinking to the level of insulting or maligning Canada. Very poor form. DUDE, You seriously need to take a freakin' pill. Grow up. You're in no position to "shame on" me for anything based on your posts lately. Do you have something against trying to add a little humor to a "discussion" that's run totally amuck? Unbelievable...... | ||
| Dbird29 |
Best quote ever! "Mouth Litter" Court |
