| Author | Message | |||||||||||||||||
     Joebuell |
"Also - note how the officer is handling his weapon as he comes into the frame. If I shoot you because I see you as a threat, I'll fire and be damned sure that the muzzle stays pointed in your direction. When he comes into the frame, he's holding the gun like he's scared of it and knows he just messed up, like a little kid at the gun range who just had an accidental discharge, knows they eff'd up but are still trying to play it cool. " This. Anybody who carries a gun for a living knows this. The cop •••••• up and should pay dearly. House, marriage, everything===> GONE. Prison. Butt Rape. The whole hard ride. Who ever gave him the badge should have some splain'n to do as well. And to the Canuck... Guns are part of our being. They are not open to debate, same as the rest of our bill of rights. To compare the USA to Canada via homicide rates/gun ownership is like comparing apples to lock washers. | |||||||||||||||||
| Toronto_s3 |
Court, Blake, Pwnzor et all. I don't see how stating the obvious makes me ignorant or infers that I somehow maligned America. It's obvious that there are more guns in the USA than in Canada. About 90 per 100 people in the US versus 31.5 per 100 people in Canada. Due to that fact there are more homicides involving guns in the US versus Canada, by about a factor of 40. Due to that fact the police in the US are more inclined to use deadly force or in the case of this thread mis-use deadly force. It's not like I stating the earth is flat here. It's not like I'm telling people not to travel to the US. I'm not sure why this upsets some of you so much. If I really wanted to malign America it's quite simple, all I would really have to do is bring up obesity, or credit default swaps or Harley Davidson. I'm in the US 5 or 6 times a year. 70% of the income I make is from American film dollars that come my way. I have American clients that I deal with year after year. I would love nothing better than for the US to be healthy, prosperous and full of contented, economically enriched citizens. I would love nothing better than for the US dollar to be worth 2 or three times what it is worth today. That is one of the reasons why I am particularly touched by this guy who has been needlessly shot and damaged. His earning potential has just been decimated, his chances for living a happy life with a wife and kids had been reduced. | |||||||||||||||||
| Reindog |
T...3 Try rereading what you have posted. Your use of language prohibits you from communicating with your audience. I suspect you prefer to malign rather than argue. If that is the case.....Mission Accomplished! | |||||||||||||||||
| S1wmike |
Toronto I know a group of four individuals whose total number of firearms owned is greater than the 90 to 100 per capita you have posted and none of those individuals have used their firearms illegally. Kinda throws that volume theory in the crapper EH | |||||||||||||||||
| Court |
>>>>I don't see how stating the obvious makes me ignorant or infers that I somehow maligned America. We agree. In fact, I am absolutely certain you can't see it. You'd be fired from where I work and kicked out of the school I teach at. Your facts may or may not be correct. You write so poorly and have such an arrogant and condescending tone, absent anything to back it up, that I frankly paid no mind to the facts. I suspect others ignore much to you say as well. Mouth litter is how I'd sum it up. Course . . . that's just me and I'm a construction worker. | |||||||||||||||||
| Reepicheep |
Sigh. I wish people had a better understanding of statistics. Correlation means precious little. The height if the tree in my front yard correlates beautifully with the size of our expanding universe. If I cut down the tree in my front yard, I promise the universe won't stop expanding. What you would need to prove is is a causal relationship. Correlation does NOT prove a causal relationship... not even close. | |||||||||||||||||
| Johntman |
Sigh. I wish people had a better understanding of statistics. It has been proven that 78% of people do not understand statistics 43% of the time, and of those 43% almost 90% blame it on their high school math teacher... | |||||||||||||||||
| Prowler |
Toronto, just based on the difference in population, it's fairly obvious that the US would have a ratio higher in gun incidents. Also note that in general as the weather gets warmer, the amount of gun incidents increases. Since it never gets warm in Canada, there'd obviously be less gun incidents.........  | |||||||||||||||||
| Thumper74 |
I think Canada has a high violent crime rate than the US... (Message edited by Thumper74 on May 12, 2010) | |||||||||||||||||
| Pwnzor |
This, from the person who stated that everyone in the USA expects to get shot all the time. Idiot. I'm done with you. | |||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Shame on anyone sinking to the level of insulting or maligning Canada. Very poor form.  Repeating bogus (ignorant) rationalizations of a provably false causation theory is dishonest. The facts have been presented that prove your theory (more guns cause higher gun murder rate) dead wrong, yet you persist with the falsehood. Tending to excuse the outrageously criminal behavior of a police officer who shot a docile and compliant unarmed civilian in the back is beyond the pale. Being stubborn and always needing to be "right" is a crushing burden. This I know all too well. How's it working out for you? | |||||||||||||||||
| Toronto_s3 |
Court. You really must be a particularly sensitive individual to have inferred a condescending tone. Maybe it's just my Canadian indignation that a fellow motorcyclist was needlessly shot and disabled by a member of U.S. law enforcement. I hope that is written clearly enough that you can understand me. By the way, I couldn't understand your book, it's missing a final chapter. I hope you publish a rewritten and updated book that completes the Buell story. The story of Buell deserves a better and more complete piece of literature than that piece of light reading you had published. Thumper74. How do you figure that violent crime rates are higher in Canada? Granted they are similar but certainly higher in the U.S. Of course it's a matter of demographics really. The U.S. has a younger average population than Canada and of course younger people are responsible for more crime as a percentage of the general population. No slight intended to any of you sensitive Americans of course, Blake and Court and whoever else. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_perc ap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita | |||||||||||||||||
| Toronto_s3 |
Blake. You carry a crushing burden all too well., I agree. I never excused the criminal behavior of the police officer in this situation. I simply said it doesn't surprise me that such a thing happens in the United States of America with all of the handguns that are so prevalent amongst the U.S. citizenry. If you have any evidence that per capita gun crimes are more common in Canada than in the U.S then please produce your "findings". I really think your ignorance about the truth here is what is really out of line. I stated that gun crime is higher in the States than in Canada. What's the big freaking deal. The guy on a motorcycle got shot with a gun. I haven't heard of any stories in the Canadian media about Canadian motorcyclists being gunned down by the improper conduct of the police. I just hope the guy can walk again some day and that this whole ordeal doesn't break him financially with the medical expenses and everything. | |||||||||||||||||
| Jb2 |
TS3, Well at least you agree that the kid was shot unjustifiably. Court's book was released before Buell was closed, check the publish date. Furthermore if you are a Buell enthusiast then you would agree that there will be more than one final chapter. I think the complete book is still being written in East Troy. JB2 | |||||||||||||||||
| Jb2 |
TS3, What does the amount of guns in the U.S. have to do with a "Police Action Shooting"? I presume that Canadian Police also carry guns and that Canadian citizens also own guns? This is a matter of Police wrong doing and has nothing to do with gun ownership or numbers of guns. JB2 | |||||||||||||||||
| Toronto_s3 |
Jb2. Yes you are right, Canadian police carry guns. Generally, Canadian citizens are restricted from owning handguns. | |||||||||||||||||
| Bishopjb1124 |
Toronto once again your ignorance nope wait wrong word, ah yes STUPIDITY prevails with your last few posts. American has more young people (define young) and they are responsible for the majority of te violent crimes. I am offended by your remarks due to the fact that I have upwards of 90 of Americas "younger population" defend their nation with me and guess what we used GUNS and big ones at that. So I guess we are all apart of the problem. Guess what else we fight for our right to bear arms and I exercise that right to the fullest. I even carry a concealed weapon (man I am an outlaw). Once again your story/falsehood/ignorance holds no water. I can look up on the Internet and find out Elvis is not dead or who shot JFK but the source that it comes from had better be credible. If not idiots like you post this garbage and line their pockets with gold. Do more research find credible numbers and the report back to us. Jimmy | |||||||||||||||||
| Bishopjb1124 |
As to yor last post that is because Canadian citizens have rolled over to the government and not stood up for their rights!!!!!!!!! | |||||||||||||||||
| Court |
>>>Correlation does NOT prove a causal relationship... not even close. I assume you had the same "eggs and ping-pong balls" example I had in math class? >>>>Maybe it's just my Canadian indignation Don't ascribe lack of personal mental proclivity to national heritage. We're not buying it, it's not convincing and you'll only piss some Canadians off. >>>I couldn't understand your book I'm sure, as this thread bears witness to, that there is much in the world that eludes you. You'll be thrilled to know that by 2:00pm on October 15, 2009 that Dave and I had been contacted to write the next book about Buell. If you are so smart . . . get off you ass. . . stop lip wagging and write one yourself. Talk, talk, talk. When the mind grows weak, the mouth tries to compensate. | |||||||||||||||||
| Wolfridgerider |
When the mind grows weak, the mouth tries to compensate ..... and that's why I keep my pie hole closed. | |||||||||||||||||
| Indybuell |
Gun Control = Unarmed Citizens vs. Police and Criminals That officer should be convicted of attempted murder. | |||||||||||||||||
| Toronto_s3 |
Court. I would never entertain the idea of writing a book about Buell it's just not my thing. My work allows me to work on movies and programming and I am quite happy with the media I work with. Copy and pasting stuff in a word document is just boring in my opinion. I commend you for your efforts though. When I picked up your book it reminded me of my daughter's public school yearbook which she participated in the content of. Same quality of paper, binding and photographic work. Amateurish but passable I guess. Please let us know when you finish with the next ten pages of the final chapter of Buell motorcycles to add to your existing publication. I will certainly be looking for it in the .99 cent bin at my local Chapters bookstore where your current publication presently sits. Hell, I might even pull a Loonie out of my pocket to buy the WHOLE Buell story next time around. Of course with the Canadian dollar expected to surpass parity with the U.S. dollar later this summer maybe I could splurge a Toonie and get a couple. Hey wait a second. I just had a thought. Your book is cheaper to buy than toilet paper. Go figure??!!?? | |||||||||||||||||
| Toronto_s3 |
Jimmy/Bishopjb1124 . You offend too easily. Keep up the good work defending America with your co-workers and don't ever stop carrying a concealed weapon because that is your God given right. Jimmy/Bishopjb1124 maybe you can Google some statistics yourself to illustrate whatever point you are trying to make. It's a damn shame about that guy that got shot on his motorcycle by the cop though isn't it. Do you think that if that same cop had shot you in the same situation you would have been able to 'bust a cap in his ass'? | |||||||||||||||||
| Xl1200r |
Hey wait a second. I just had a thought. Your book is cheaper to buy than toilet paper. Go figure??!!?? Maybe you should go buy and wipe your mouth with it since all that comes out of there is bullshit. Please provide a list of publicly viewable media that you're responsible for so we may all critique it. | |||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Paul, Your blatant hatefulness and general miserableness has breached my limit of tolerance. You are not welcome here. As to the discussion re crime stats from nationmaster.com, the man stated "violent crime" (rape, assault, murder). In that Canada's per capita crime statistics do indeed rival and in one notable category greatly exceed America's.
More than double the incidence of rape in Canada. Pity the women there are prohibited from carrying a gun with which they could meaningfully defend themselves. Besides rape, Canada also suffers a higher suicide rate. | |||||||||||||||||
| Thumper74 |
Toronto, as a Canadian, you CAN own handgun for sporting reasons. It's just a hassle. I apologize, I thought I recalled something showing an insanely high violent crime rate in Toronto. Self protection is a God given right. Luke 22:36 "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." Though, usually filled with nothing but the best of intentions, Police do not STOP crime. They don't prevent anything. They can't catch someone if they haven't done anything wrong. Police are a reactionary force, they come when you call or are being caught in the act of commiting a crime. Even in the instances where a Police officer got lucky and prevented a travesty from happening, it was most likely because they were reacting to or investigating another crime. I carry a concealled handgun to protect myself and my family from criminal elements. Most police officers will tell you to your face that they'll do anything they can do to protect you when they get there. Until then, you're on your own. A ton can happen in seconds, when the police are minutes away. I think you have this idea that the states where CCWs are allowed are like the wild west. It's not so. There are rarely shootings and I don't recall an instance where the shooting was not ruled to be self-defense. Since the CCWs were allowed a few years ago, violent crime is down. There are now 142,000 people in Ohio who are able to defend themselves legally. Short of Eagle Scouts, you aren't going to find a more law abiding group of people in the country because they realize that a crime can cost them their ability to protect themselves and their family. Not to mention that in order to get the permit, you need to be squeeky clean. You also seem to be under the impression that permit holders and American gun owners are foaming at the mouth to shoot someone. Permit holders realize that life is precious and once it's gone, it can't be brought back. That's why they have them. No one is responsible for you, except you. | |||||||||||||||||
| Reindog |
Wow, this ain't even a political thread and look at the lack of civility by one of the posters!!!  Some would say we need to make a separate section for shooting guns.  | |||||||||||||||||
| Reindog |
You never see T3 and Rocket in the same room at the same time. Wow, that guy (T3) is awesome! | |||||||||||||||||
| Preybird1 |
I rather enjoyed your book court. Wow stay on topic and BAN ST3!! I mouthed off here a couple of time and it got me no where. I have since learned to keep my mouth and opinions to myself. Blatantly attacking someones book and members here, that has nothing to do with this thread is STUPID!! | |||||||||||||||||
| Court |
Why . . . tell me why . . . the "unbright" insist on advertising? |
