| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
hope one of the lessons here is don't run from the police I bet they had no idea the cops were behind them. The blue lights don't come on until they drop the hammer for what looks like a little stop sign to stop sign fun.... | ||
| Gunut75 |
Here goes the gun debate..........................ok, I'm done. I fully believe the officer was in a state of panic. I wouldn't want him on any police force near me. I feel bad for your friend.  | ||
| Xb12xmike |
I would have a tough time justifying this shooting (and with the video, am sure to be charged and do time). My guess is this was an "accidental discharge" caused by the common mistakes of putting your trigger finger inside the trigger guard before intending to discharge the weapon. Probably should have came clean about the really bad mistake rather than trying to justify the shooting. Thats exactly what I was thinking when I watched the video. Especially because we do not get a view of the officer exiting the vehicle and pulling his weapon. I hope the cop gets the book. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
OH..And then he lets the rider lay there for ten (10) minutes and doesn't help lift the bike off?? WTF?!?!? | ||
| Augustus74 |
Freakin' ridiculous! Not everyone on a Harley is in a biker gang! (probably what the cop thought) | ||
| Boltrider |
Hdbobwithabuell already said it. The cop should have had his trigger finger on the frame of the gun, not inside the guard. That cop should be put away. | ||
| 1125rcya |
Anyone who sides with this cop should be locked up with him. With the thought of everyone has a gun and is going to shoot you, this shows you have some kind of mental disorder and should have never had that job in the first place. This guy should sue his direct supervisor and the physiologist who said he was fit for the job. I own a 83 FXDG and by me riding this bike endangers my life do to profiling,stereotyping and discrimination which is against the law may I add, therefor this cop who shot a guy for an unsafe start is just fing ridicules and should face more charges on top of the original. We all know whats right and wrong, this cop really should face the same fate as the guy he shot and be paralyzed with him. Law is good for the most part but IMO cops are only good for speeding tickets, DUI's and harassing people. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Your in the USA. Everybody is armed, everybody knows it. Everybody is running around scared expecting somebody else to pull a gun. WHAT THE F*CK!!! This has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read. How about this one: "You're in Canada, eh? Say hi to Dudley Dooright for me! Have some back bacon and drink some beers!" Sorry I couldn't come up with a better generalization, but I tend not to just lump 30 million people into a general category... much less 340 million.  no Canadians were harmed in writing this poor excuse for a rash generalization | ||
| Pwnzor |
Oh, and I think that video clearly shows an attempted murder. It's unfortunate for the good cops out there when things like this happen. All the good work they actually do is completely cut down by this one turdburglar in a single stroke. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
What with the cop with the unmarked car pulling his gun while being video'd by the rider & now this, it just reinforces the stereotyped view of US law enforcement as being a bunch of cowboys who shoot first & ask questions later. I'm certain that's not the case, but the movie-going public from outside the US will just see the Hollywood law enforcement being enacted on the street. | ||
| Vampress |
That's just crap. I may not know a whole lot about what I'm saying here, due to a small difference in cultures and crime rates, but the Officer had absolutely no justification from where I sit. In the last few weeks I have seen several dash cam videos that all seem to have the same thing in common...the cops are skittish and all too ready to pull and use a weapon. When we get over there...we are soooo riding in the middle of the pack!! | ||
| Prowler |
Scary stuff, when I pull my bike up to a stop light I usually rest my hands on my legs while I'm sitting there (if it's going to be a while). Apparently looks like the cyclist that was "attacked" was doing the same thing. Would have been next to impossible for that guy to have got a decent shot at the cop even if he had a gun. Cops are supposed to be trained to deal with these situations. This loser was obviously out to lunch during that training. I think an "eye for an eye" would be fair in this situation. That cop should not be allowed to walk.......anywhere. Still think the vast majority of cops out there are the low educated bullies from high school who found out they could get actually get paid for being an ass. | ||
| S1wmike |
Looks like attempted murder to me not felonious assault. JMHO | ||
| Paint_shaker |
"a sad tragedy, for your friend, who may never walk again, and for a cop, who probably will lose his freedom/ livelyhood. I hope one of the lessons here is dont run from the police. Only bad things happen when you do, and now two peoples and their families will be forever changed." +1 | ||
| Hr_puffinstuff |
Still think the vast majority of cops out there are the low educated bullies from high school who found out they could get actually get paid for being an ass. You are wrong. My dad was a LEO for 25 years. His brother is still a state trooper after more than 35. There are also a number of cousins, and a few who married into the family. Many of my dad's friends were in law enforcement, and he rode with the Blue Knights. I was raised around cops. Lots of cops. While i will admit that there are some bad actors on the job, (power attracts the corrupt) the VAST MAJORITY of officers are decent, hard-working people that want only to create order from chaos. Many people have a negative view of the police because of their exposure to them. The only time most people see an officer it is "bad". Traffic stops, for the most part, but also D&D, domestic call, or maybe your home was robbed. Regardless of the call, there's a lot of stress, and a change from the normal routine. Now put the shoe on the other foot - this guy's job, day after day, is to go from one person's "bad thing" to the next person's "bad thing" and on to the next person's "bad thing"...and so on. In short, the next time you have a bad day at work, be glad you're not a cop. That being said, this dumb •••••• should never have been given a badge. He should be fired, black-balled (do they still do that?) and should spend his time changing colostomy bags for shooting victims...primarily, the one he created. | ||
| Guell |
Ive dealt with some awesome cops, no bad ones, and a couple that didnt really care. I think most cops are usually good people. Its the bad ones that people pay attention to. Its the same with sportbikes, how many people notice those of us who ride sanely and legally. Its the ones who dont who give us a bad name. This guy was a complete turd, and i do agree with the attempted murder, thats what he should be going up for. | ||
| Akbuell |
Kudos to Hr puffinstuff. He has pretty much nailed it. And as a retired LEO, I agree. FWIW, the abusive and corrupt tend to weeded out, although not as quickly as most decent cops would wish. As to the current situation, the officer was wrong. Being given the power of life and death by the citizens we serve DEMANDS that we exercise that authority properly. Didn't happen here, and I expect he will be convicted of a criminal charge. And should be. He also may/should face federal charges for violating the bikers civil rights. None of which will make the biker whole again. My thoughts to him and his family. Dave. | ||
| Thesmaz |
I don't know what to say, really. Just unbelievable.... | ||
| Ohio_xb12 |
Then you have the lawyer in the video saying how the rider turned to the side and pulled his arm back. You watch the video and the guy turned to the side but in no way raised or moved his hand other than the movement nautrally caused when you turn your torso. We watch the video and compare for yourself. That huckster lawyer ought to have his ass kicked too. | ||
| Blake |
Paul, Your ignorance is boundless, your powers of observation incredibly poor, your desire to bring up the disability issue extremely trollish. There was no "chase". The bikes pulled over almost immediately. Outside of the the shadiest areas of large cities as with all cities the world over, your characterization of America is ludicrously false. Why did this ever even make it to trial? The perpetrator cop must actually think he was justified in shooting the man? If so, he deserves a lot more than 11 years. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Only bad things happen when you do, and now two peoples and their families will be forever changed Yeah, but one ••••••• can walk, talk and enjoy life (after the 11 years, which he will only serve a handful) and the guy on the bike will only wheel around for the rest of his life. F#uck that. | ||
| Rageonthedl |
Here is some video from the other cop that you saw. Im sure their will me more video tonight. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/loc al&id=7435151 | ||
| Pwnzor |
Puffinstuff:  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
"I hope I didn't f!@# up." Yeah, sounds like the words of someone in the WRONG. Good on that other cop for telling the truth, assuming that was the WHOLE truth. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
"I hope I didn't f!@# up." its little late for that once you have pulled the trigger.... | ||
| U4euh |
UN-F'n believable!!!!! 1st I would say that the cop in car 1 had already radioed ahead to the cop in car 2. Coming around the corner and all of a sudden seeing blue lights coming out of his peripheral vision looked like it startled the other rider, hence the sudden grab of the front brake. he still had the oppurtunity to run, but proceeded to turn around, which leads me to believe that he was startled, not running. Next shot- to me looks like the rider grabbed a cigerette out of his mouth, or put something in. Either way, his arm came to a rest on his hip, and only showed natural movement when he twisted. He was still sitting when shot, made NO aggressive moves. I think some of you hit it right on the head, the cop screwed up."I thought he had gun" was the first thing he could think of to cover his mistake. Some of his movements after the buddy shows up shows the "oh Sh!t" reaction after one realizes they have made a mistake. Now , if I am a private citizen with a concealed carry permit, I'm held to a different standard than the average Joe. My AZZ would be in the slammer if this were what I had done. Strip the guy of his badge and hold him to the same standards. I'll tell you one thing, I'll have my hands on my helmet if I ever get pulled. I think we should all forward the link to friends. and sorry for your frinds situation, keep us posted of the outcome (Message edited by u4euh on May 11, 2010) | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
that just makes my blood boil. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Pretty awful. I'm not trying to excuse the cop, I don't know the whole story but what I saw looks pretty unambiguously like a massive screw-up by the cop that cost an innocent man the use of his legs. It didn't look at all malicious, it just looks like a screw up. So it would fall into the "involuntary attempted manslaughter" category, followed up by a stack of "obstructing justice" charges. So whatever charges are consistent with those, seems like where the cop should (and probably will) end up. But on the other hand, remind me not to *ever* ride with somebody who would be inclined to run from cops. Right or wrong, I don't care, but it creates a *really* *&^%^&* up situation stacked with insane risks where anything could go wrong (and did in this case). The fact that the cop will likely rightfully go to jail won't help this guy walk again. So I would put the "don't ride with people you think might run from cops" in the "left turning minivan" category... its an interesting theoretical exercise to think if they have the right of way or not, and who would be guilty or innocent, but the right solution is to not hit the van regardless of who has the right of way. My prayers and condolences to the guy shot. And even my condolences for the cop, who looks like he really &*&^%^ up in an instant and cost himself both a career and a number of years in jail. I'm glad none of the major &*&^%$^% I've had in my life carried these kind of consequences for me and the people around me. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I hope the kid sues the hell out of that cop in civil court. | ||
| Preybird1 |
I have been watching this thread for a few days since i noticed it. What happened to "to protect and serve" What is it now "to maim and cripple" If i was that guy who got shot and would never walk again. I would be looking to sue that cop and his department. He is going to meet bubba in prison and he will get his! I hope they nail the bastard to the wall. You don't have shoot people in the back, That is a coward for you right there!! |
