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     Kyrocket |
Slaughter, those four sites were in the running when they were threatening to move the York, PA. site if I remember right. That was a few months ago. This is a new scare tactic, by how I see it anyway, they're threatening to move it all. BTW Sifo, I like that show. It's had a few names as I think a few channels have their own version but neat to see the time lapse of Mother Nature taking back her own. I never knew some streets in NY were built over streams (the reason they're so crooked) and will fall back into the streams over time. What I never understood though, and what they never pointed out, is where did man kind go? Animals are still here but there are no rotting human corpses. Rapture, space? (Message edited by Kyrocket on April 30, 2010) | ||
| Jaimec |
The corpses were eaten by scavengers, the remains were broken down by fungi and plants. From the earth we come, and to the earth we return. It's amazing how quickly large animal remains disappear in the wild. Fascinating eco-systems in the oceans that form around dead whale corpses. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/03/31/ 2253964.aspx | ||
| Sifo |
What I never understood though, and what they never pointed out, is where did man kind go? Animals are still here but there are no rotting human corpses. Rapture, space? I agree, the premise was a bit strange. Even rapture would leave many behind. Once I got past that is was an interesting program though. Maybe the alien mother ship came back for us!  | ||
| 99savage |
SAT Scores by State 2009: WI Math 598 Critical reading 587 Writing 575 TN Math 569 Critical reading 574 Writing 568 WI might have SLIGHTLY better scores but sure nothing to brag on. IF HD moved to TN they could partner up w/ JD & have some memorable old-home days. | ||
| Two_buells |
York, Pa. FX and FLT Frames, tanks, fenders, paint, FX (Softail), FLT (dressers), Trikes, CVO assembly York is the largest plant and is adding a 200 mil expansion to the newest (7 years old) Softail building. Menomonee Falls, WI (Pilgrim Rd.) all Sportser and Big Twin Motors Tomahawk, WI Fibreglass for FLT’s Kansas City, MO Frames, tanks, fenders, paint, Sportster, Dyna, V-Rod Assembly Franklin Dist---P&A Closed Capital Drive, Sportster motor assembly—closed Talladega testing closed Buell Closed | ||
| Steveford |
Hey, Wandell (you putz), I hear that the labor rate is really low in Mexico! Motorcycles are just like widgets, nobody will care or even notice. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
IF HD moved to TN they could partner up w/ JD & have some memorable old-home days. they could just about kiss their core riders good-bye too! I take it that you didn't attend the Harley 100th or the 105th? Streets were shut down for the Harley crowd in Milwaukee. Motorcycles parked for as far as you could see for their concerts that were held downtown. I doubt if we'll ever see that again because Harley is rapidly headed for failure with their board of directors they have. | ||
| Xbrad9r |
Golfing weather in WI vs. golfing weather in TN, no wonder Wandell wants to move. | ||
| Hotrats |
Loki maybe but then again we have another company that the the Birth place is Milwaukee. That would be Miller Brewing. They were head quartered here forever. Then just a bit ago there headquarters are no longer here. They are in Colorado with Coors. But then again Miller is owned by African based company. Chicago, i think. miller-coors is a LLC. venture. SAB owns mbc. (Message edited by hotrats on May 01, 2010) | ||
| Steveford |
It occured to me that if they moved everything to Mexico and sold them at Wal Mart they could cut out the existing dealer network. That might save some cash which could be used for the Board of Directors' next pay raises! Maybe park them next to the golf clubs... (Message edited by SteveFord on May 01, 2010) | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
Many of my fellow laid off HD employees now work at the brewery. The headquarters may not be in WI, but they are still making plenty of beer. Also, they have the HD Museum to bring people here for the anniversary's. There had to be other motives to building the museum. This is just a game, and HD made the latest move. They are going to do exactly what they did in York, threaten to leave the state, or take a horrible contract. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
I was in the parade for the 95th on my Father-inlaw's 1970 sportster. That's was an incredible site. EVERY parking structure, street along the parade route was wall to wall people. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Yea, it would be like the Baltimore Colts moving to Indianapolis in a snow storm ...opps, that's right, that did happen. | ||
| Elsinore74 |
Probably just saber rattling for the benefit of labor negotiations, but... I'm thinking if they move out of WI, they'll leave the museum and a token Headquarters-looking office in Milwaukee. The majority of The Faithful won't care if they leave WI, or even go offshore. Maybe a small bump in resale value for the "Last US models," but the image is still strong enough that H-D could relocate to China, and it wouldn't matter. | ||
| Bads1 |
but the image is still strong enough that H-D could relocate to China, and it wouldn't matter You think so ??? LOL Might as well put the nail in the coffin. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
wow! from reading some of these comments, I don't think you guys actually know the Harley crowd. I run into Harley riders that actually think their Harley's were made in Wisconsin, It kind of bursts their bubble when I tell them that only the motors and fiberglass parts are made in Wisconsin and NO Harleys come off an assembly line in the state, only York Penn. or Kansas City. You ought to see the looks on their faces when they hear that! I truly think that people ride Harleys for the legend that they represent not the actual motorcycle itself. Take the American heritage out of the motorcycle and it's toast! No one would purchase a foreign made Harley, and I do mean NO ONE!!! | ||
| Just_ziptab |
If it sez harley on the tank,it will sell! A lot of my female facebook friends are "every thing harley" freaks,even tho they or their significant other doesn't own one. Surf the personals and it 's always a favorite thing to do..........to ride on the back of a harley. Never a honda,BMW or even simply a motorcycle ride...always a harley. ......sheeple! | ||
| Elsinore74 |
For better and for worse, H-D is no longer the H-D a lot of us knew (and liked) years ago. To clarify what I meant by "The Faithful," I meant the folks who buy the "image" more than the experience. Like it or not, they're the majority. I know a lot of H-D riders put serious miles on their bikes, but for every one of them there are five sitting around posing. Those "image" customers are carefully cultivated by H-D and I doubt offshore manufacturing would offend them. Brilliant marketing, really. Can they find Wisconsin on a map? Do they ever ride far enough to need a map? A substantial number of "image" customers are waiting in the wings, the H-D being a goal, a symbol of sorts. You know, the ones with an H-D T-shirt or two, the rear window decal in the car or truck, no riding experience, but an almost religious belief that H-D is the only REAL motorcycle. I mean no offense; those reading this aren't the "image" customer I speak of. By my observation, a Buell rider isn't about the image, they're about the experience. Buell riders, regardless of brand they happen to be riding any given day, ride for the ethereal satisfaction. Ride Safe, Ride Often. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
 FB (Message edited by jerry_haughton on May 02, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
"The Righteous Riders of the Purple Sage" would be a great album. | ||
| Court |
Harley-Davidson sales were down 72% the first quarter of 2010. Nuff said. | ||
| Luftkoph |
Harley-Davidson sales were down 72% the first quarter of 2010 Holly crap bat man} | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Down 72%! Time for harley to get into lawn and leisure sales.I would think re-badged Lawn mowers and bicycles would sell pretty damned good,even at a gouge price. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Time for harley to get into lawn and leisure sales.I would think re-badged Lawn mowers and bicycles would sell pretty damned good,even at a gouge price. just imagine, getting a new Harley-Davidson riding lawn mower with lots of chrome, leather tassels and loud pipes. Your neighbors would love it! | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Don't laugh. I took the Craftsman decals off my garden tractor and put Chevrolet decals on it. Looks genuine and 'some' think it actually is a Chevy garden tractor.Regardless of the GM/government debacle.........the decals will stay.....  Yeah,there are Firebolt side panel decals too. | ||
| Court |
What happens to Buell and Erik Buell is the LEAST of the worries for "Wandell's Warriors". They have a complete workforce, management and union, as motivated as they can get them by telling them "there's no assurance you'll have a job here in the future and we're considering leaving Milwaukee". I'm loving . . . driven I confess by a perversely ugly streak after they put 200 friends out of jobs . . . what it's doing to some of their management folks. I've never had my friends in management at Harley-Davidson so willing to give up "the trash" on some of the stuff that is going on and has gone on. Wandell made two bad choices his first 4 weeks on the job. We'll see how it pans out. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
AMF 2.0 | ||
| Two_buells |
>>>>Wandell made two bad choices his first 4 weeks on the job What was the second bad choice? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
 71% down from last year??..... and how down was last year from the previous year? | ||
| Court |
>>>>and how down was last year from the previous year? Don't have the number with me but it ain't pretty. Harley is unable to make debt payments on money they borrowed to make debt payments. The current board is quite out of touch with both reality and the motorcycle business in my opinion. Likely that HD will be owned by someone else, hopefully Buell , by this time next year. Shame is that they've suffered from negative transfer of knowledge in that what they knew, or thought they knew, prevented from them to see any of the really good solutions. HD had some things, and I'm no limiting my thinking to anything to do with Buell, the resources to set the motorcycle world on fire again and blew it. No clue as to how it will work out for them . . . we'll see.
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