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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Who would want to buy a sportbike?
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, but they're going to alienate all their older mature riders.
Right?
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Tq_freak
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What a douche
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

1539 bikes in 3 months? I wouldn't get my I told ya so finger out yet..... but I would have my hand on the trigger...
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

does anybody have his email address just incase he didn't get that memo from bmw.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>Who would want to buy a sportbike?<<

Not me. A Uly or an XR1200X eg is a much better bike for road and street use.
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Swordsman
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dave is gently slipping into that Harley demographic.

Jk, I wouldn't want one either, really. But obviously there are a few out there that do. Did. Whatever.

~SM
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

For all the stuff I do - I see myself as a designer. I like solutions to problems.

Not machines that create them.

If you are a track enthusiast it's beautiful. I love it.

As a road bike it's a big exercise in self control - if I want to keep my licence.

I'd much rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its a great bike, not my style, but I am certainly not their target market for it either.... now if they would get more realistic with their price on the 400 Adventure bike... then I would put a BMW in the garage.


Besides if Wandell did get the memo... do you think he would read it ?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2010 Guidance
For 2010, the Company expects to ship 201,000 to 212,000 Harley-Davidson motorcycles to dealers and distributors worldwide, a reduction of five to ten percent from 2009. “We believe 2010 will continue to be a challenging year,” Wandell noted. In the first quarter of 2010, Harley-Davidson expects to ship 52,000 to 57,000 motorcycles. Gross margin is expected to be between 32.0 percent and 33.5 percent for the full year. The Company expects full-year capital expenditures of between $235 million and $255 million, including $95 million to $110 million to support restructuring activities.


BMW is a rounding error compared to the bikes HD ships.
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

you know full well that is not the point jaimec is making. i have no desire to buy a bmw either but that could have been the barracuda II on that page instead. i did forward that to wandell just in case he didn't see it.



Dave is gently slipping into that Harley demographic
sometimes me thinks he's on the payroll.
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2kx1
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That is in the U.K only.

I guess with proper marketing a company only known for old -guy bikes can make a sportbike appeal to a younger demographic.

Wow those BMW guys must be really smart.

Why can't it be done here?
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If I could have any single bike at the moment - just for me - no passenger or 'sensible' considerations - it would be a HP2 Megamoto.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't like what happened to Buell - but I do get paid to have an open mind and I take the Harley products for what they are - Very nice bikes that I enjoy riding.

I thinks the same about Triumphs, Suzukis, several Kawasakis, a number of Hondas, there are some Yamahas I'd like, about 6 Harleys that I could dig, I spose Suzuki doesn't really have a model that sings to me currently, but there's several I would happily recommend for the right application.

I take Harley riders at face value without pre judging them for their fashion sense too. Some of them are life-long friends.
I don't mind springing to their defence when they are sterotyped.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm kinda diggin' on something with three cylinders.
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Brumbear
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll just keep my finger on the trigger and hope victory gets something going with Buell and in 5 years they surpass Hardley for sales in a global market when you add in polaris sales as well. Then BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told you so!!!!!
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tiger is you - late model with the Showa suspenders. cut the windscreen off it, Arrow pipe, Avon VP2 rubber. Best all rounder on tarmac available.


My next test bike is a Guzzi Stelvio.
Going to do a 2-up dirt roads tour on it.

Should be perfick for it.
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Iman501
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm kinda diggin' on something with three cylinders.

i'd love to have a street triple in my garage!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm looking more at the Speed Triple.

The ergos are VERY similar to an SS with the rear wheel more like a CR.

Plus, DAYUM!, it's purdy!
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Same deal - I like the taller version for tall reasons.

15th anniversary S3 is da shizzle.
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i know you get paid to have an open mind and in more ways than one, i am jealous of your talent dave.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wasn't offended. taa.
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2kx1 and Neverenuf got the point I was trying to make. Everyone else ran off on a tangent.

And yes, those sales numbers are for the U.K. only. But based on my riding buddies' reactions, they're going to sell a ton of those things here too.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh, I got the point. I was just over the discussion.

Wandell's a tard. He missed the boat. No amount of "I told you so" make me feel better at this point.
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Iamike
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A buddy of mine that is a salesman for Gina's BMW in Iowa City has been bugging me to try one. I told him that I try not to drive vehicles that I don't want to buy (I ended up with an '03 Benz C240 last summer by breaking that rule). He has been selling bikes like crazy so far this year. Even passed up on our trip to Utah to make money.
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

15th anniversary S3?? You got a few more years bud...

A 15th anniversary S2, YES...
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P47b
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do any of you look at vehicles and get a face out of the front of them?
I really love the bike till I get to the front of it. Then all I can think of is Cockeyed.






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Nevrenuf
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

it made me feel better emailing wandell the right up knowing full well he couldn't care less.
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Davegess
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BMW is a rounding error compared to the bikes HD ships.

NOT, BMW sales were down last year to 87000 from 101000 the year before. Not as good as HD but certainly a very big number.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You are right. I was looking at the European number only.
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