| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
It has nothing to do with "opinion". The issue is truthfulness and integrity. When you go around pretending to be on a quest for enlightenment, claim to have read the New Testament, but rejected the teachings of Jesus, finding them all distasteful, then demonstrate a level of ignorance revealing that you have not read the New Testament, and when you spout blatantly false propaganda (lies offered by our enemy aimed at demoralizing America's will to defeat al qaeda), blaming America first, what would you have said about you? That you are just an ignorant jackass who likes to pretend that he knows more than he does and who is a tool of the islamist terrorists, or would you prefer to be given the benefit of doubt of suffering from a substance-induced confusion? I gave you the benefit of doubt. I'd think that before launching into what amounts to a very serious and damning criticism of America, your country, you'd check the facts. Too many elitists like you are all too willing to believe any miserableness they might find about America. I have little tolerance for such fools. I just don't care for your bullshit and arrogant elitism. | ||
| Hex |
I rest my case. | ||
| Blake |
"I've seen plenty of examples unfairness right here in the midst of our passion--BadWeB." It's fair to say that if you come here burping up the rancid effluent of punitive liberalism/"Progressivism", badmouthing America, blaming-America-first, you'll be met in kind with stern and resolute patriotism. It's fair to say that if you come here spouting the propaganda (lies) of our enemy, you'll be met with harsh rebuke. It's fair to say that if you come here pretending to be all-knowing and on a path of enlightenment, but are found in reality to just be spouting bullshit, you'll be met with harsh rebuke. If you want to avoid further castigation, then the thing to do is to step off your elitist high horse and talk plain and talk honest. (Message edited by blake on March 04, 2010) | ||
| Drkside79 |
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. | ||
| Hootowl |
Thanks for bringing that back around. You got a date Wednesday baby! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I still can't get over someone citing Zeitgeist as a source. That's hilarious.  | ||
| Hex |
I can't believe a 40 year old needs to resort to ridicule in order to impress his peer group. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
What 40 year old? | ||
| Reindog |
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Nailed it! You are an Achiever. | ||
| Blake |
I'm just trying good old fashioned shame to set you straight Eric. I stopped trying to impress other people at least ten years ago. People used to be ashamed to behave foolishly. | ||
| Doerman |
People may not remember what you said or did. They will remember how you made them feel. | ||
| Blake |
I'd hope that they'd remember what they did to earn being shamed and to avoid it in the future. Dishonesty sucks. When employed, whether intentionally or as foolishly parroted propaganda, dishonesty should be shameful. | ||
| Blake |
One of the major reasons for many of our cultural problems, drug abuse, systemic poverty, corruption, single parenthood, unwed parenthood, promiscuity, is the diminished shamefulness associated with poor behavior. Popular culture has become far too accepting of dangerous foolishness and poor/destructive behavior. Why change poor/destructive behavior if there is no consequence for it? | ||
| Hootowl |
You know, I'd be OK with all those things, if I didn't get stuck footing the bill for them. Freedom means you get to go get pregnant on a one night stand. It also means my tax dollars shouldn't have to pay for your poor decision making capabilities. Sadly, that is not the case. Freedom without responsibility is anarchy. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Blake apparently never had sex before marriage. What makes you all think its ok to throw shame on Single Parents. I'm an unwed father who cares very much for his daughter. So please throw shame on me. I also know at least one single parent that raised her kids alone because a POS w/ very similar views to you liked to beat the crap out of her. I am proud that my tax dollars go to woman like that. NOW I AM NOT SAYING THAT Any OF YOU ARE WIFE BEATERS. BEFORE I AM ACCUSED OF THAT | ||
| Drkside79 |
By the way if you did in fact have sex before marriage what was it Jesus said about throwing stones? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Oh and one more thing while I'm on the Jesus topic. What was it he said about the poor and the meek? | ||
| Hootowl |
He didn't say the government should take your money and redistribute it to them. That isn't charity. That's theft. Charity is something else entirely. Like I said, people are free to do what they please. Don't expect me to pay for it. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I would rather my money lined their pockets than where most of it currently goes. | ||
| Blake |
Shaming a behavior is entirely different from attacking a person. The behavior is shameful. A person who is sincerely repentant for their shameful behavior deserves to be lauded, not shamed. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I am not ashamed of my daughter and I would ask you what is shameful about it.  | ||
| Blake |
The same tired old argument against accountability that "Progressives" hold so dear is nothing but a straw man, meaning nonsense. If A then B = true does it then follow that if B then A? No. If personal misbehavior at any time prohibited anyone from ever recognizing the destructive behavior of others and calling attention to it in order that it might be corrected, then chaos and anarchy would rule. My words were clumsily assembled concerning the "single parent" issue. I retract them. My bad. To clarify, I'd reword your question as follows: "What makes you all think its ok to throw shame on "Let he without sin cast the first stone" does not mean that poor behavior should not be shamed. It means that we should recognize human fallibility and sincere repentance in favor of iron-clad letter of the law punishment of the person. Shame the behavior, love the person. The "three strikes" and parole laws of some states represent that very philosophy. | ||
| Blake |
So, when we see repeated dishonest and foolishly destructive behavior, call it out for what it is, but then see absolutely ZERO accountability from the perpetrator, it is time to bring out the shame. Yes, that is must my opinion. Where am I wrong? | ||
| Blake |
"I am not ashamed of my daughter and I would ask you what is shameful about it." Another straw man. You enjoy making up things to be indignant about? No one anywhere that I know implied that you or anyone should be ashamed of your daughter. The notion is ludicrous. You no read good.
"One of the major reasons for many of our cultural problems ... is the diminished shamefulness associated with poor behavior." | ||
| Drkside79 |
Fine let me take a step back. I will concede that i do not like the fact that people on federal aid continue to have kid after kid. The must be provisions put in place to stop additional funding in that instance. However I do believe we must take care of our old and those of us that have stumbled in life. There are many out there that need federal aid and deserve it. However there are many who abuse it and give you SOME credibility with your argument. | ||
| Hootowl |
I don't think it is a federal issue. Welfare and unemployment are state run yes? The feds just dump money on the states after they collect it from the states and residents of those states. Makes no sense. We should take care of our old. And by we, I mean I should take care of my parents, and you should take care of your parents. They should not be abandoned to the care of bureaucrats. Some people do not have children, or children that are able to take care of them. I understand that. What I don't understand is children who have the means to care for their parents in their old age, but run around screaming about how the government isn't doing enough to care for their parents. It isn't the government's responsibility to do that. | ||
| Blake |
"There are many out there that need federal aid and deserve it." I'd say that there are many out there that need aid. I disagree strongly that aid is a human right, that health care is a human right, that food is a human right. Those are all goods and services of the market. Our rights do not come from government. If they did, our government could rightly take them away as they wish. As recognized so astutely by our nation's founders, our inalienable rights (human rights) come from God, our creator. Life, liberty, and the freedom to pursue happiness. Excessive taxation is nothing but theft, and is a direct affront to our liberty and our freedom to pursue happiness. I'd ask where in the nation's constitution you find the mandate that our federal government must be the entity to provide that aid and that it is allowed to generate funding for said aid through coercive means? America has been brainwashed. Progressivism has been a huge success. The integrity of our constitution has been Progressively diminished, its intent and meaning Progressively corrupted. Ever ask yourself why, if it is sooooo important to help folks, why don't we simply ask for free willed donations to do so? I'm ALL for helping folks in need. I am vehemently opposed to the federal government forcing me to do so. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ah! public assistance. Welfare. Social security, unemployment payments. All different things, all related. If I give MY money to those who I think need it, it's charity. ( it's MY perception & reasons. I may do so because of religious teachings, because it makes me feel good, to show off to others...it's still my decision. ) If, under threat of force, my money is taken from me, to do "good works" that's theft & taxes. The line is slippery, and relative. I think nice roads are great, I use them. Ditto the military & police. My money used for homeless shelters? borderline. ( but generally meets my approval....do You agree with all congress spends money on??? Thought so. ) Unemployment.... an insurance program that one pays into. Not voluntary to pay into, but voluntary to receive. Ok. Social security. same deal. ok. ( and I've paid into both my whole working life. the fact that Congress stole all the money is a reflection of the trust we should have for them, not the program per se) Public assistance/welfare.... not part of the original deal our nation is based on. Part of the neomarxist ( progressive ) lies as to the responsibility of individuals vs. the holy state. Yet, I grew up with this insanity, and have no idea how to fix it. It is, in most hateful terms, used to keep the masses oppressed, and build the power of the all holy state. Consider the fate of he who would stop "welfare" in all it's forms. While the peasants can be easily discarded to their doom as deliberately undereducated skill-less excess.... the vast, well paid and connected State & Federal worker would destroy you at once. Millions of well paid secure bureaucrats are dependent on the progressive theft of resources to fuel their lives, and the votes that keep them in power. Who is the biggest drain on society? The Welfare mom who has extra children to get more money ( a figure that doesn't really exist in quantity, any more ) or the Congressmen who vote for welfare rules that keep people in poverty and dependent on their checks? My call isn't the mom. | ||
| Blake |
The top 10% of income earners provide the vast majority of federal income tax revenue in America. The lower 50% provide virtually none. So for income tax, we have the majority of the population benefiting disproportionately to their contributions. If/when that proportion significantly exceeds 50%, what do you expect will be the politicians' focus for legislation in America? Welcome to the underclass utopia comrade. No longer will the wealthy and successful be free to pursue their goals. They'll just be coerced into giving the rest of us their money. That makes me sick to my stomach. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Funny that 10% makes more an trust me they aren't starving. Considering most (not ALL) of them got rich exploiting that 50% i don't feel much pity for them. |
