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     Aesquire |
The noble savage? yes, and it's completely wrong. The philosophy of the French revolution was the perfection of the natural man. This led to mass executions, including many of the founders of the revolution, a socialist ethos that has hamstrung the French since, ( count the wars won by France since nappy...) led to yearly riots by students and a staggering economy. Good food, babes, and art though, give them that. America's revolution was based on the philosophy that man was not perfect, so the founders built in checks and balances to limit the power of Govt. True, over 2 centuries many have been subverted, witness the IRS, where you can be fined for errors made by the IRS in helping you pay your taxes..... We seem to have missed the mass murder of the former establishment, but that could simply be that our former rulers were across an ocean, and not in the same city. ( but I don't think so ) Marx was a product of the exploitation of kings for thousands of years. Unfortunately for the world, he was a first class bull sh&ttter, but second rate mind. His system, stolen from a mix of sources, including Christian ethos on Communal living, ( see Plymouth colony, starvation, thanksgiving ) has always been a pipe dream, exploited by evil, power hungry men. No group larger than a Kibbutz, and certainly no nation, has been pure marxist. ( though the Russians did try, before they had a coup that began a near century of mass murder, war, and nuclear standoff ) Marx was a putz. Just so you know, teabagging is a sex practice, ask others for details, I just saw the cartoons. As to progressive movement, no I know nothing special, I just note the holier than thou attitude of the progressives, with their dedication to eugenics, racial hatred, and exploitation of the stupid masses, ( though, if you've worked retail, that one makes sense..  ) the endless, and integral lies that are it's core. Total score for murder of their own people for international communism is probably closer to a billion. We'll never know, since though the Germans of WW2 were meticulous record keepers, the Soviets & Chicoms have always lied about, everything. (Message edited by aesquire on February 27, 2010) | ||
| Conchop |
Aesquire - Beautiful - You really have spent time divining the shadows on Socrates cave. NOTE: The holier than thou attitudes apply to anyone of any conviction. A man without prejudice is a man without taste. "Life without self examination...." I cannot say that I completely agree with you and your observations but the style of your observations, with the steely eye of a cynic, can actually be applied to the launch of any idea from any point of view. From whatever position one may take from whatever originating idea, someone will take that idea and screw it up. They create their own Leviathans and you know what those creatures are capable of doing. Good idea's, wrong way of doing it. Brings me to a point - can you see the balance achieved from studying these authors??? - don't forget the Leviathan as it is representative of any political entity and its enforcement. I see the Leviathan created by the so called liberal/progressive movement to be a very balanced Leviathan. However, it is still a Leviathan. Whether you like it or not, Healthcare and Insurance reform stand a very good chance of becoming the law of the land. Lets all try not to screw it up. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sweet! Then all I have to do is get in the health care business, and get some of these obscene profits, and I can buy all the insurance I want! Sweet!  | ||
| Crusty |
Who gives a shit? I've got my health insurance; the rest of you can go to hell in a handbasket, for all I care. Maybe you uninsured low life bottom feeders will contract a disease that will kill you all off, while I can afford the cure. Ebenezer Scrooge was right; it can decrease the surplus population. Why should Americans give a damn about other Americans? As long as I've got mine, I don't give a damn about your petty problems. And all your problems are petty until they affect me. | ||
| Blake |
You're WAY off-base Crusty. Don't confuse opposition to federal gov run Socialist medicine to selfishness. Fact: Conservatives are THE most generous in charitable gifts. We simply object to unconstitutional power grabs by the fed gov, the growth of the nanny state, and the continued errosion of freedom in America. Currently 60% of America's health care falls under the purview of the federal government and that portion is an unmitigated failure rife with fraud, inefficiecy, and abuse. We should double down on that hoping for a different result? Please explain why? I don't get it. | ||
| Reindog |
Fixed it for you, Con. You seem incapable of reading or comprehending opposing points of view. We Republicans support health care reform as I have previously enumerated. I did not write my arguments using invisible bits but you apparently choose to ignore valid points and run home to momma with your silly epithets. Your response is to spout crap about "teabaggers" and "the GOP is the party of no". Nothing could be further from the truth. Please step away from the still.  | ||
| Reindog |
Crusty just provided another example of emotionalism versus logical argument. It is reminiscent of Pelosi's opening argument at the Obamacare Summit the other day. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Crusty... maybe I want Government out of health care precisely *because* I want people to have good health care (and I don't discriminate against rich people, I want them to have good health care also). | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
On the health care summit: McCains pointing out the lobbying and special interest dealings in the health care bill made the prez very uncomfortable. He quickly retreated to schoolyard campaign arguments to shut McCain up. As if special deals to certain states and drug companies were not valid concerns. It was very clear at the summit who the lowest common denominator was. It was very clear at the summit who the lowest common denominator was. It was very clear at the summit who the lowest common denominator was. It was very clear at the summit who the lowest common denominator was. It was very clear at the summit who the lowest common denominator was. It was very clear at the summit who the lowest common denominator was. repeated just so it sinks in | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Crusty, please explain where in the Constitution the Federal Government derives the power to make the need of one party the obligation of another. In order for one person to receive a benefit from another, that benefit must be received for payment. Otherwise, the provider of benefit is having the works of his labor taken without payment. One must either forcibly require the provider to grant benefit without payment OR payment must be collected forcibly via taxation depriving non-providers the benefits of their labor. Real greed is expecting someone else to work to provide you something for free. | ||
| Court |
>>>It is reminiscent of Pelosi's opening argument at the Obamacare Summit the other day. I watched that. That women, the one we spend $2,000,000 a week on while she moans about Wall Street compensation, is neither terribly bright nor persuasive. The Democrats, including the President who has diminished the office to something akin to student body, sealed their November fate in that little bit of theatre. Don't take this as partisan. The Republicans did little better and have yet to come up with anyone who looks anything like a leader. We deserve better . . . Lord knows we're paying for it. who have thought China would essentially own the United States and be able to shape our foreign policy. Keep an eye on Rahm. I'm starting to understand why Obama apologizes everywhere he travels. | ||
| Crusty |
I am not asking anybody for anything for free. I've earned my own way through this life on my own skills and merits. As I said, I've got mine, you can go take a flying f**k. Why should I have to support anybody who's less fortunate than I am? That would be as stupid as giving free stuff to people just because they ride the same brand of motorcycle as I do. Hey; it's a dog-eat-dog world out there. Screw everybody else. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Global war will cure everything | ||
| Moxnix |
That may not be so far fetched. Read an online economics newsletter comparing the last 20 years to The Great Gatsby era of the 1920s, the Grapes of Wrath over the Depression years, followed by WW2. Bit of Mein Kampf tossed into the overseas mix, and who knows. Enjoy your niche for the time being and don't be fooled by Hope or Change. | ||
| Crusty |
POLITICAL SCIENCE Randy Newman} No one likes us-I don't know why We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try But all around, even our old friends put us down Let's drop the big one and see what happens We give them money-but are they grateful? No, they're spiteful and they're hateful They don't respect us-so let's surprise them We'll drop the big one and pulverize them Asia's crowded and Europe's too old Africa is far too hot And Canada's too cold And South America stole our name Let's drop the big one There'll be no one left to blame us We'll save Australia Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo We'll build an All American amusement park there They got surfin', too Boom goes London and boom Paris More room for you and more room for me And every city the whole world round Will just be another American town Oh, how peaceful it will be We'll set everybody free You'll wear a Japanese kimono babe And there'll be Italian shoes for me They all hate us anyhow So let's drop the big one now Let's drop the big one now | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I am not asking anybody for anything for free. I've earned my own way through this life on my own skills and merits. As I said, I've got mine, you can go take a flying f**k. Why should I have to support anybody who's less fortunate than I am? Obviously, you are advocating just that. Instead of wigging out and immediately invoking the emotional response, let's have a logical debate. WHERE in the Constitution the Federal Government derives the power to forcibly make the need of one party the obligation of another? | ||
| Cyclonedon |
WTF America! How are we going to get out of this funk? it's simple! Don't get yourself all wound up in this funk to begin with! Don't let let it bother you, just live each and every day the best you can. Since your NOT going to live forever, why waste time worrying about something your not going to be able to fix anyway! I've seen very little change in the way our country has operated in my 56 years on earth so why should I think that is going to change now. I can't wait till the weather gets better so I can go ride and not waste my precious time reading all this crap here on BadWeb. | ||
| Crusty |
Instead of wigging out and immediately invoking the emotional response, let's have a logical debate. What was wrong with the Whigs? ther were a major party for decades. I'm not wigging out; the Whig Party was pretty much gone by the time I was born. Actually, I think Thomas Jefferson had a lot of good ideas, but he died before I was born, also. Benedict Arnold is reviled as a traitor from the Revolutionary war, but if you read up on him, he was a firm believer in the base principles of American Freedom. Now, to get back to the title of this thread, WTF America! How are we going to get out of this funk?; me, I plan of ignoring useless and unproductive political arguments, or sabotaging them when they become too annoying. Did you know that the word Sabotage comes from the word Sabot; which were the wooden shoes factory workers wore during the Industrial Revolution. When the workers became disgruntled with their working conditions, they would throw their shoes into the machinery, which would cause it to break down. Oh, BTW; I'm NOT obviously advocating anything. I am not responsible for what you infer from anything I state. | ||
| Aesquire |
Moxnix, that's a big concern of mine. I look at an aggressive Russia, an Iran with nuclear power dreams, a thugocracy? ( when it's the "Republican guard" ( no relation to the GOP I hope...  ) and a group of Mullah's running things, what do you call a theocratic military dictatorship pretending to be legit? ) And, scariest of all from a long term view, a China, with a rapidly growing military, and a sex issue never seen on the planet. ( I'll leave Eurabia as a separate issue ) China is a particular odd thing. Once there were 40 females left on the planet. How many males? who cares, if there was only 1, it works out. He was tired, but it worked out. Why? current theory says supervolcano & following Climate Change. But all us humans are descended from those 40 ladies. China has had a draconian 1 child policy in a failed attempt to hit zpg. The side effect of that policy, ( besides forced late term abortion & baby killing ) is that the male female ratio is scary skewed. There are literally millions of horny Chinese guys in the teens & early 20's that have very little hope of ever getting married, if they stay in China. This is untenable. Mars needs women. I'll let you speculate on how that ball of yarn is going to unravel. Crusty, Isn't that a great song? Conchop, I'm all for health insurance reform. I noted a few ideas a couple of days ago. I'm not in favor of the monster bills from the house & senate. They seem to be...full of bad compromises. I'm one who doesn't believe that a free market, without any rules, is good. It is, however, better than a command economy, which always results in starvation & bad times. So we need smart rules, and the ability to change them when we did it wrong. Health Insurance companies need some rule changes, that we can all agree on. Some, like a ban on considering pre-existing conditions, are going to cost the companies more money, which they will pass on to the consumer. ( same is true of taxes, all paid by us, the working guys ) Some, like a ( and damn I hate to admit to wanting this ) federalization of insurance laws, will permit more competition, lowering costs. No matter what you do, it's going to be more expensive. That is cynical of me, but I've noticed that every single thing that insurance companies push govt. to pass laws about, like, say, helmet laws, is sold under the con of "this safety thing will save lives (and us angelic insurance companies money,) so we can pass on the savings to the consumer. Isn't that great?" yet somehow, rates never go down? Insurance companies are bookies. It's the nature of the beast. The house has to have the odds, or it goes out of business. I'm all for reform of the existing socialized medicine systems. We have several, there is redundancy that costs billions, and both the consumer & the doctors are getting screwed, right now. Adding another bad bureaucracy to the existing bad bureaucracy is not a good thing. Cyclodean, I understand the sentiment, but, oddly, I've noticed quite a few changes..... but the bribe taking, lying sack o-crap professional politician does seem to be a constant. But these idiotic political threads, ( Gee, I hope Obama doesn't have a minion watching Badweb for future purges! ) are the online version of a mosh pit. it's winter so the temp has gone from Charlie Daniels to Dragonforce.... and it's snowed for days here...  | ||
| Reindog |
Her hypocrisy knows no bounds. On Sunday, she urged Dems in Congress to vote for "The Monstrosity" even if that causes them to lose their jobs in November. Easy for her to say as she never has gotten less than 80% of the vote in her San Francisco district. Hopefully, all Dems know that she is standing in solidarity with them. Pelosi urges Dems to sacrifice their jobs  To paraphrase Hurley from Lost, "Nancy Pelosi is a douche canoe". | ||
| Sifo |
Nancy is also now claiming the Democrats share values with the Tea Party. I'm not sure what values she has in mind. Perhaps it has to do with her view of the Tea Party as being "astroturf"? Douche canoe doesn't begin to cover it. | ||
| Reindog |
Looks like Pelosi is indirectly admitting that the Tea Party is a legitimate, powerful movement. She can not leave the stage soon enough. The Tea Parties Newest Ally | ||
| Sifo |
I am pretty convinced that her mouth isn't connected to a brain. She also recently laid this out there...
I guess inviting select republicans into a room for a day where Democrats talked for twice the time as the Republicans counts as bipartisanship under their rule. I think the voters nationwide will have a very different view. I forget who said this but one of the Republicans said that the only thing that will be bipartisan about the health care bill the way it's going is the opposition to it. I think he had it nailed. | ||
| Moxnix |
Life and the world we live in: is what it is and ain't what it ain't. Sometimes it appears to be upside down. Probably the worst thing ever for politicians and the news business is our Internet. We can find out where the bear poops in the buckwheat without the filter of any real or imagined corporate-ocracy. Information is power. Still, our POTUS blatantly ignores the majority of we folk saying NO! to his Chicago style ramming of semicrypto-socialist policies down our collective throats. I gotta admit, this is the strangest of times I've experienced. Not being one who traditionally caves in to bad government, I'm looking for "contrarian" ways to "game the system" and enjoy my view from the cheap seats. The Chinese are like the Japanese were prior to WW2, imitating but not innovating. We innovate. It's the American way. The clowns filling seats in Congress and the grifters, hacks and phonies in the White House are all imitating, and imitating something unseemly IMO. Human nature and freedoms are in 180 degree contrast to the feds plan. We is what we is, we ain't what we ain't. And "those thems" pointed out above are insisting on learning that the hard way. It's the economy, stoopid. It's jobs, stoopid. We're Americans and we're resilient. Woe to those who think us incapable. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
How do we fix this mess? How about we do things that the most successful states are doing and not do things the worst states are doing. | ||
| Sifo |
How do we fix this mess? How about we do things that the most successful states are doing and not do things the worst states are doing. Vote for conservative values? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
What's interesting is the reaction from the far left Obama supporters. They are absolutely apoplectic about Democrats not ramming through ALL the agenda pieces regardless of the opinions of the American people. "We won, you lost. Deal with it." seems to be the common refrain. It doesn't work that way. Never has. Was never intended to work that way. | ||
| Sifo |
What's interesting is the reaction from the far left Obama supporters. They are absolutely apoplectic about Democrats not ramming through ALL the agenda pieces regardless of the opinions of the American people. "We won, you lost. Deal with it." seems to be the common refrain. It doesn't work that way. Never has. Was never intended to work that way. You mean like this? Obama Needs to Go Chicago-Style on Health Care: | ||
| Court |
Pelosi? Call me stupid . . . . but I'm not wanting someone who doesn't know if the value of her Vineyard in California is worth $5,000,000 or $25,000,000 predicting what this bill will cost. She's a scary person, a good leader, headed in a poor direction. We deserve better. | ||
| Hex |
"We won, you lost. Deal with it." seems to be the common refrain... Reminds me of another party who said "you're either with us or against us." Maybe that's where they're getting it from. I agree, it never works that way for long. |
