| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
I love the angst about all the "just say no" taunting. When someone offers me a big bowl chili but upon seeing it I realize that its really just a steaming pile of shit, I'm perfectly fine with just saying "no." I encourage everyone to do likewise, especially if it is about to be dumped on all our heads. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"But we have to do SOMETHING! Think about the children!"  | ||
| Aesquire |
Conchop, First, Do you have a clue what "teabagger" means? Now, it'a a little embarrassing, but I wouldn't know, if I hadn't seen a gaming cartoon that mocked the practice of repeatedly crouching over a dead foe in a FPS game. it wasn't until I denied ever doing what to me looked like a degrading thing in a B&D relationship, ( even though it would, in such a context, be fun...  ) on this board (really embarrassing, but no one mocked me...then ) that I found out "teabagging" is a homosexual practice. ( which I obviously missed out on, my gay friends don't give out details on what the new fads are. It certainly wasn't in "everything you need to know about sex but ...ask" ) If you didn't know before, you should be able to figure it out from my convoluted comment. If you did know what it means, you are a jerk. A childish, snickering one. You repeat, with zero critical thought, the propaganda of the day from people far richer than you who use fools like you to gain power & money. ( now, that can also be honestly said about some "right wingers"... but very few on this board. ) Do you have a clue what the "progressive" movement is? What it's origins? How many have been murdered to support that ideology? The thousands sterilized because of race, or economic status? The inherent racism of the creed, that uses religion, race & class envy to gain power while, ( usually ) in secret mocking the fools that buy the lies? I oppose the concept of an authoritative state who uses the lie of "collective good" to justify oppression of the individual. I most strongly despise the "progressives" who want to turn the most successful nation on Earth, with the most freedom, into a soviet style European slave state....in the name of what's good for me. Now, you are correct that the GOP leadership in Congress has been pretty crappy in the past. I don't have a lot of hope for most of these guys. But being the "party of no" is exactly what I want when "yes" gets me screwed without lube. There's always time for lube. not work safe!! swearing... not for small kids!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq1FNIGap-0 P.S. Conchop, i just checked your profile. I agree about SPC... but wonder if you are following your own creed as to logic? I agree that the Bill Oreally?s of this world are single minded folk who are blindly partisan. ( though Ann Coulter....I bet she spanks...) but you keep resorting to insults instead of logic, it seems. Do you really think that socialized medicine is better than the current one here? Please show examples. ( I'd be dead if I lived in England...might not be here if I lived in Canada... Cuba? they'd have shot me. ) Bear in mind that what you think is the current capitalistic system of health care only sucks IMO because of badly done govt. intervention. It's neither fish, nor fowl, nor good red meat, but tofu turkey. And, as a history, buff, other than the standards of politeness...screw 1890. I want a 21st century with colonies on the moon, Mars, and an orbital Hilton. Also an end to religious war, communist mass murder, and Keith Uberman's rants on stuff he knows nothing about. ( but, hey, that & Bill Maher's elitist snop crap are part of freedom...I just don't bother to watch them, I don't want them purged....much. ) (Message edited by aesquire on February 25, 2010) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The Republican party sucks most when it acts like the Democratic Party. True conservatism will win in 2010 and 2012. | ||
| M2me |
The rest of the statements that you focus on are mostly about cost. Who the !#$% cares about cost if you are dead? That said, I agree that we need to reel in what I view as over-inflated cost of health care in America. While some of our higher cost is justifiable in support of more widely and readily available technology, choice, and unrestricted access; I agree that it is inflated. Why don't car prices as a percentage of GDP keep going up and up, no way to stop it as you claim for health care? I've already answered your question about cars and you've answered it with your first question. If you don't buy a 2010 Porsche you won't die. You could buy a different car instead. Maybe a used clunker if you're tight on cash. But not getting that 2010 Porsche won't kill you. What if you break your femur? What are you going to do if you're strapped for cash? Just ignore it and try to carry on with a broken femur? Pull out the yellow pages and start "shopping around" for a cheap physician? No, you're going to the emergency room right now to get it fixed. You don't have any choice. Nobody makes the same economic choices with their health as they do with their car or TV or furniture or anything else. Your health is different than material things that you buy. Everybody has "health care" needs but a system based on competitive, free market forces will never be able to control costs. Why is that? Let's take a look at your first question: "Who the !#$% cares about cost if you are dead?" Bingo! You nailed it! That's the reason! Nobody gives a crap about cost if they are going to die. They will pay any price to get the health care they need. I won't be buying a 2010 Porsche. I simply can't afford it, but I won't die if I don't get it. I can keep driving my old 1996 Ford Ranger. That's an economic choice that I can make. But if not getting the 2010 Porsche would kill me, then I would have to buy it somehow. I'd have no choice. Health care is a need, it's not a choice like a 2010 Porsche. Our health care system treats the economic choice of health care as no different than the economic choice of buying a car. It's not and that system will never work. Teddy Roosevelt recognized this reality 100 years ago. It's time to reform our health care system. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Your choice of Porsche or no Porsche is a false one. Those able to qualify for coverage can buy stop loss coverage. An expense of $5,000 isn't going to bankrupt ANYONE. $75-100/month isn't going to bankrupt ANYONE. People make choices about how they are going to spend their money. Median income for 2009 is $27,590. A $75/mo stop loss policy would represent a 3.3% of income expense. People CHOOSE not to purchase coverage. Those who can't qualify due to income or health are eligible for state programs. There is not an emergency room on the planet that would refuse to set a bone regardless of ability to pay. There is not a hospital on the planet that wouldn't work out payment arrangements on a $5,000 medical bill. Believe me. I've had to do it. I had a $6,000 expense that we paid $50 at a time. There is no excuse for not making provisions for your own health care. Some seek to take the "competition" out of the system. What is not understood is the fact that competition is what drives excellence, innovation, and quality. Why aren't we taking the "profit" out of medical malpractice? Why is one form of profit more palatable than another? | ||
| Aesquire |
But we don't have a ...system based on competitive, free market forces... , not really, since we have govt. control over part of it, and that's the part that's broke. Your assumptions are wrong, try reasoning based on reality. Oh, for you "conservatives" , here's something that may help you understand the progressives. http://www.pjtv.com/v/3155 You progressives, don't bother, it just praises your views, and confirms what you already know. that you are far superior to those evil conservatives, since you know better than they do how to live their lives. Attaboy, guys. keep it up. | ||
| M2me |
I oppose the concept of an authoritative state who uses the lie of "collective good" to justify oppression of the individual. I most strongly despise the "progressives" who want to turn the most successful nation on Earth, with the most freedom, into a soviet style European slave state....in the name of what's good for me. What about public water and sewer works? Isn't that a lie of "collective good"? Why don't we privatize water and sewer works? I guarantee that within ten years water would be $50 a gallon and our streets and sidewalks would be ankle deep in raw sewage. Wouldn't that be wonderful? We could turn back progress and the individual would be free from oppression. We could dance in the streets, ankle deep in urine and human feces, until we collapse from dehydration into the muck. Hooray! I know what's good for me better than the authoritative state. Dancing in raw sewage is what I like! But the damn authoritative state oppresses me! | ||
| Conchop |
My my! Read my profile. Please pardon any insult to your political or religious scruples. Removing posts??? What??? did I forget to sign a loyalty statement???? Funny thing about those who can dish it out, but can't take it. Hell, no one is going to change anyone else's mind anyway. We are all enlightened. | ||
| M2me |
You progressives, don't bother, it just praises your views, and confirms what you already know. Yep, it confirms what I've always known: conservatives are not funny! Conservatives seem incapable of humor. They seem totally tone deaf on comedy. They try, but they fail every time. Every great comedian from Groucho Marx to Jon Stewart has been a liberal. Conservatives, please give up your attempts at comedy. Your attempts at comedy are simply awful. It's painful and embarrassing to watch. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
You obviously haven't met me. I'm f*cking hilarious. | ||
| Court |
That's funny! | ||
| Reindog |
Hey, what am I, chopped chicken liver? At least you didn't accuse us of being funny guys, which would have been met with the Joe Pesci response, "Do I amuse you?" | ||
| Sifo |
It's odd that one would equate themselves to a known socialist and at the same time object to being labeled a socialist.
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| Milt |
When I first hear Rush L.,sometime around 1991, I thought he was a comedian, and a darned good one. Groucho Marx. Coincidence? He's responsible for generations of Marxists. | ||
| Hex |
So, have you guys answered the OP? or are we to drag our heals and wait for the next election? | ||
| Moxnix |
Attributed to Jean-Luc Godard: Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho, that is, "I'm a Marxist of the Groucho tendency" | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
or are we to drag our heals and wait for the next election? God, I hope so. Is it too late to pay back the unspent Spendulus Dollars before they get pissed down a dark hole? The ONLY thing that will get us out of the morass is economic growth. So far EVERY policy of the current administration has served to squelch economic growth. Until that policy stops, we'll not see any real recovery. That won't happen until the next election. So, yeah, we'll be dragging our feet until November. | ||
| Sifo |
Jean-Luc Godard...
Yep, another Karl Marx follower just like Groucho. | ||
| Sifo |
So, have you guys answered the OP? or are we to drag our heals and wait for the next election? BO is the source of the funk. An example of this just happened yesterday. His solution for not having republicans on board with his health care reform that the Democrats locked them out of was to have a bipartisan summit. The idea was to allow Republicans to participate, right?
Republicans getting half the time to speak as the Democrats? BO actually scolded a Republican for having a printed copy of the subject of the discussion with tabs allowing him quick access for various point of the bill. How dare he actually look at the "starting point" of the discussions. Yes, we have 3 more years of 'funk'. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Obama was perturbed that someone actually brought a copy of the bill with them. How dare they. The summit was a sham and attempted "trap" for Republicans. When Republicans came prepared seeking to discuss specifics, Democrats were less than pleased. | ||
| Spike |
The irony in the car-to-healthcare analogy is overwhelming. Help me out here- Where is the central governing body over the auto industry that determines that one person can buy a new Porsche while another can buy a used clunker, each according to his budget? You already know the answer. The free market system is what gives us everything from the $10,000 Hyundai Accent to the ~$1,500,000 Bugatti Veyron. The consumer is free to make an uncoerced purchase of the vehicle that best suits his or her needs, or even to make no purchase at all and buy a bus pass. Does anyone want to insist that the government should take over the auto industry to remove the Bugattis from the market so that everyone can be given a Hyundai? | ||
| Sifo |
They were probably disappointed the Republicans didn't show up with comedians.  | ||
| Sifo |
"Does anyone want to insist that the government should take over the auto industry to remove the Fixed it for ya!  | ||
| Blake |
The federal government runs the water and sewage treatment in Kilgore, Texas? Who knew? Private water companies exist all over America. People even provide water for themselves. I guess Socialists don't get outside the big city much. LOL. Interestingly my city does not seek to impose mandatory health care upon me, nor take my money to give to others. Everyone in Kilgore pays flat rate taxes on their property and a flat rate sales tax on the goods we purchase. Everyone pays the same rate for water and sewer and garbage services. Oh my, the garbage collection and disposal service is performed by a private company. Garbage is not piling up in Kilgore. It is collected twice weekly and they do a great job for a very fair price. Sewage you say? If you live outside the city limits, you create your own sewage treatment system and you get your water from--warning, John's Socialist head is fixin' to explode--a private company or your own well. Live far enough outside the city you dispose of your own garbage, and provide your own sewage system and your own water. OMG! Communities and people looking out for themselves without the federal government directing the effort?!?!?!? How can that BE??? If Socialism is limited to that, then I can support that kind of "Socialism" that we practice in Kilgore and would be all for it applied to issues that constitutionally fall under the purview of the federal government, ALL FOR IT! No more income tax; not even the state of Texas imposes an income tax on its citizens. No more burdensome meddling in health care. No more burdensom meddling in our retirement savings. No more confiscation under threat of prison of our income in order to give it to others or in support of local public works or all manner of entitlement and other "Progressive/Socialist" programs. You betcha! I'd be ALL for that! Trying to equate what most local communities do for themselves to the "Progressive/Socialist" national government agenda is ludicrous, the most egregious example of trying to put lipstick on a pig as I've ever seen.  "Progressive/Socialist" Big Government (Pig Government) Hey, I wonder if the NEA will give me and Mr. Coulas a grant to create more art with a message like this? | ||
| Oldog |
What I found odd whatching the end was a demacratic request to not ram the bill thru but to work thru, the problem and come up with cost reductions, some of the politicos are getting the message the potus does not watching him it was clear to me that he was not interested in what any one had to say I'm hoping for change in less than 3 years we need to demand better from our elected officials You spent the day on TV playing politics, what I watched I heard no specifics beyond cutting costs, make ellected officials get their own just like the rest of us, thats a start | ||
| Reindog |
Blake has no sense of humor.  | ||
| Court |
We deserve better leaders. I watched that entire event. Obama doesn't seem very bright. He doesn't understand that folks don't WANT his ridiculous tomfoolery. | ||
| Reindog |
The same folks who are ramming health care down our throats are the same people administering unemployment benefits. I have not received a check in five weeks although I am eligible. When I call, the automated system walks me through the menu and at 3:21, the computer voice tells me that no agent is available and then HANGS UP on me. It doesn't matter which day of the week I call. This is the kind of health care service that we will get when the soon to be thrown out of office Democrats ram the health care bill through Congress. The bill that the overwhelming number of Americans don't want. The government only seems to be competent in building interstate highways and a badass military. Everything else is bureaucratic bungling and ineptitude. | ||
| Sifo |
Reindog, Does CA have an online system for unemployment benefits? IL does this and once you are signed up it is very easy to do. Much better than the old phone system. |
