| Author | Message | ||
     Milt |
Irony alert: Calling Lincoln a Republican is like calling Strom Thurmond a Democrat.... (Message edited by milt on February 19, 2010) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Little government gets you little pay. This equals big bonuses for the big boys. That's hysterical! What is the single largest black hole expense for every company AND every WORKER? Talk about fat cats. I think you need to re-read the words of the founding fathers. The government intervention you promote is the very intervention they sought to prevent. The Union/Government cabal has resulted in NO benefit to the workers. In fact, the combined efforts have harmed companies thus harming both union and non-union workers. If union leaders were really concerned about jobs and the workers they represent, they would be supporting representatives seeking to promote business rather than punish it. Union leadership has sold the workers they represent down the river in order to grow and maintain power. | ||
| Sifo |
So in what way was Lincoln not a Republican. He was pro-constitution, pro-limited government, pro-self dependency. I could go on with this, but where did he stray from Republican ideals? | ||
| Aptbldr |
Some historians describe our civil war as a second American revolution. Lincoln said, "... government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." It was new and significant, his "for the people" part. | ||
| Sifo |
Is that a response to my question? Being "for the people" is straying from Republican ideals?  | ||
| Hootowl |
Lincoln, if I'm not mistake, founded the Republican party. How could he not be a Republican? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States) (copy and paste link please, it isn't forming correctly) Hmm, founded by anti-slavery activists. But no, that can't be, we're all racists don'tcha know. | ||
| Hootowl |
LOL, I made a mistake on "mistake". Irony... | ||
| Glitch |
Hmm, founded by anti-slavery activists. But no, that can't be, we're all racists don'tcha know. People kind of like forgetting what the democrat party was up to in the South a few decades ago... | ||
| Sifo |
founded the Republican party. How could he not be a Republican? I was hoping that one of our well educated liberals would reason that out for me. I'm guessing it must be a 'nuance' thing. | ||
| Blake |
Liars suck. Socialists are almost always liars. If they were honest, they'd garner little support. Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism): totalitarian ideology and practice of the Nazi Party (National Socialist German Workers’ Party), and Adolf Hitler’s government as dictator of Nazi Germany, from 1933 to 1945. | ||
| Aptbldr |
Don't know Republican ideals of Lincoln's time, Sifo. Lincoln managed/catered-to a wide coalition of interests, like any President. He came to office as compromise. I doubt he adhered strictly to many ideals of his times. | ||
| Blake |
Lincoln was a Republican. Truth requires few words. | ||
| Drkside79 |
He would be a democrat today though  | ||
| Hootowl |
Punitive taxes, government running everything, abortion at will, millions reaping the fruit of the labors of others while contributing nothing themselves. These are not the things Lincoln stood for. I can think of no greater slander than to call him a Democrat. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
He would be a democrat today though Doubtful. I seriously doubt he would approve of the policies by liberal democrats that enslave black citizens in lives of perpetual poverty, crime, and hopelessness. I suspect he'd be appalled. I also doubt he would have been opposition to the civil rights movement as democrats were in the 60's. No, unlike the desire to co-opt Lincoln as a democratic idealist, Lincoln would have RUN from the DNC like he was on fire. | ||
| Blake |
Ideology aside, no Democrat since Truman has had the wisdom or guts to fight to win in war. Lincoln more than any other US President was willing to fight to win when confronted with war. No way in hell would he be a Democrat today. | ||
| Milt |
Remember that the Republicans were also strong advocates of prohibition. Small government and liberty my a$$. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wrong. Prohibition was a Progressive ideal. | ||
| Moxnix |
This came in an email today. Probably a repost. Mildly amusing, but it's real value is its likelihood to set off emotional charges amongst the Sozis (German slang for socialist). How did our president come to have an SSN issued to someone born in 1890? Where's Snopes on this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FlEbBZLzo0 (Message edited by moxnix on February 19, 2010) | ||
| Aesquire |
so, as a rule of thumb, if they want to take your money "for your own good" and think the "common people" are idiots, that's not the group you want to support. ( Now, I admit the people are idiots mantra is universal, ask anybody who works retail ) Lincoln would be a Democrat? LOL! I think he'd have a few choice words about current Republicans too. The Progressive "evolution" in the 20th century has horribly distorted the role of Govt. in peoples lives. It's a pity they don't teach history anymore......come to think of it, we spent an awful lot of time in high school hearing the praises of the Labor Movement. It wasn't until much later I found out some of the great hero's my teacher loved were murderers, thieves and not so heroic. Still, all that is union is not bad, ( or good. ) even though the bribery is astounding. It's funny, the reaction to my suggestion the last Union meeting I attended. I stated that since ADM, the Oil companies, and all the successful megacorps were wise enough to bribe both sides of the political dynamic, that the Union only bribing one side was foolish. If we only bribe one side, the other will not like us when they are in power, and the one we always do bribe now considers us a sure thing and won't even court our favor anymore. What good have we seen from a single sided bribery program? They didn't like my suggestion. | ||
| Sifo |
Lincoln would be a Democrat. I would love to hear some supporting arguments for that one.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Because only the GOOD Presidents are Democrats. Since Lincoln was a good President, me MUST be a Democrat. All very logical. | ||
| Moxnix |
WTF America! How are we going to get out of this funk? Well, for one thing, we must exploit the easy route, that voters are stirred by emotion, not logic. Like Samuel Adams, the Boston maltser, we have to know that people prefer drama and ritual over well argued exposition. The question of power in the state must be enforced, but the state must be worthy. If nothing else, we are seeing a shift in popular opinion that the state, and elected functionaries thereof, must be worthy of the citizens support. Broad lack of support currently shown by polls, is the first intensive signal to the federal government that we know what their shortcomings are and we want things fixed. We are a people of virtue and ethics and will point the way for political change on the national level. | ||
| Conchop |
Careful: as with all people who suffer from mass hypnosis,[ NAZI's MAOISTS, RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS,etc] you conservatives are obviously bordering on delusion! The pretty people on TV [ courtesy of a certain Australian that now lives in Communist Red China ]and the articulate conservative radio commentators, have you riled up over things that are not factual [liars] or things that are not your business at all. They all talk like TV preachers so that must make it real, eh??? Now here's something I bet we can all agree on: GO BACK TO MAJORITY RULE IN THE SENATE - END THE SUPER MAJORITY - BRING BACK THE REAL FILIBUSTER! MAKE IT THE WAY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS SET IT!! That would go a good measure in bringing this country out of the funk. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Utter nonsense. | ||
| Sifo |
Careful: as with all people who suffer from mass hypnosis,[ NAZI's MAOISTS, RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS,etc] you conservatives are obviously bordering on delusion! The pretty people on TV [ courtesy of a certain Australian that now lives in Communist Red China ]and the articulate conservative radio commentators, have you riled up over things that are not factual [liars] or things that are not your business at all. They all talk like TV preachers so that must make it real, eh??? If you could put that together with any facts or specifics there might be something to discuss. I have no doubt that any specifics will show how untrue your statements are though. | ||
| Moxnix |
So, someone appears to be stirred by emotion, yet believes he is the pinnacle of logic. All CAPS is shouting. Thank you for giving us the power to make you shout. Sure, I'm extreme. Extremely correct. TV preachers are an industry, not necessarily a route to salvation. "They" bring in money. "They" fill churches to the rafters without leading people to God, just themselves. I don't watch them, but you apparently do. I suspect to make yourself right in your own mind while you're making them wrong because you disagree. Thank you for giving others power over your emotions. | ||
| Blake |
"If you could put that together with any facts or specifics there might be something to discuss. I have no doubt that any specifics will show how untrue your statements are though." Well said. Liars suck. The willfully self-deluded accusing others of delusion is nothing new, it pretty much characterizes the Progressive/Socialist political culture, that and their preference for malicious, dishonest personal attack. With them, hate rules the day; they are a very emotional and emotion-driven cabal. | ||
| Aesquire |
Blake, that tends to support my contention that the greatest threats to liberty are religious extremists. A long time ago, that was the Church ( yep, just the one, that's all that was allowed....or you died ) the Muslims, and in East Asia, the fight by righteous supporters of the divine right of kings against those pesky Buddhists. ( hint, the Buddhists were not the bad guys. ) In todays world, it's the Muslims ( muslim extremists if you want to be PC ), the Greenies, and the "post Soviet" Progressive/communist/fascists... ( which I shorten to "state worshipers" let's call them...."the New Men" ) Which is actually 2 1/2 religions. The New Men, oh so enlightened over you peasants, and the Greenies, oh so enlightened over you neanderthal machine age folk, are really almost the same thing... the overlap on a Venn diagram is nearly total. One could argue that the Green movement is, in fact, just a tool of the New Men, and actually I do so argue. ( and have seen the KGB files that support that argument) Unwitting fools and repeaters of propaganda are Legion. ( and have the morals of another who claimed that name, IMO ) The worshipers of the divine State....without, of course, God, since he does not exist.... claim that others are racist, while they have used racial hatred for over a century to achieve their aims. They claim to stand for fairness, and preach envy to pit one group against another. This religion has murdered more people this century than existed on Earth a thousand years ago. | ||
| M2me |
What is the single largest black hole expense for every company AND every WORKER? Health care costs! Oh, I'll bet you thought I'd answer taxes. Nope! The U.S. has one of the lowest tax burdens among OECD countries. Health care? No other OECD country is even close to what we spend as a share of GDP on health care. Health care outcomes? We're mediocre at best. But we're number 1 on cost! Rising health care expenses are the biggest black hole facing businesses and workers in the U.S. We need to figure out why and fix it. I don't think another round of tax cuts for wealthy people will fix it. |
