| Author | Message | ||
     Spank |
Hey now...not all us bass players are bad!  | ||
| Swampy |
Just as bad and anti-social as those blasted drummers! By the way, if anybody remembers, I got my response from the attorney greivence commission today, the only thing it says is they are complicit in the commission of the crime that was committed against me. Guess you can't fight the "Good Old Boys Club" or take up issue against one of their own. | ||
| Jon |
This is not the stuff of Patriotism. Innocent people could have been killed. The dude was off his lid. | ||
| Jon |
Now if he had set up a barbecue, gave out some spicy ribs and handed out leaflets about the unconstitutionality of our tax system, then I would say he was a patriot. And if he served up some fried okra along with that, then I wouldda said, "HE Da MAAAAAN!!!!" | ||
| Jon |
White supremacists aren't patriots either. That's just plain stupid doctrine. Did you know stupidity was a sin? | ||
| Aesquire |
Some people are flying nuts enough to live a sort of "biker" lifestyle where every penny that doesn't pay the mortgage goes into the one ( or more ) toys. I've been one. Not well to do but average. So, unfair class baiting example there IMHO. Don't pick on musicians or drummers either, please.  Not to defend the schmuck. I agree with Jon, and many of the rest of you. No excuse for his actions. You can be torqued at a thing and not harm innocents in your anger. ( like the Waco massacre, or Global Warming, Pick a war, your taxes...) real or imagined...( Elvis is an alien, JFK was shot by time travelers...or the Masons, Bush blow up the twin towers to avenge a skull and bones insult, Nazi flying saucers ( My favorite! ).....) | ||
| Slaughter |
I'm a right-winger and I sincerely wish for damnation for that lunatic's wasted soul. | ||
| Rainman |
Aesquire: Glad you noticed the difference between drummers and musicians! Just kidding. I'm a bass player and I haven't wanted to fly my airplane into any governmental offices. Maybe land it outside of a Reno brothel.... Swampy: You can't beat the lawyers. They've covered their butts and each others. Hell, they all make the laws and govern. How many presidents in the past 50 years have been lawyers? | ||
| Swampy |
Ron White...With a stick! I beat my girlfriend regularly, she is a lawyer! | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
My point was that, some people (however misguided they may be) were hailing this nut-job as some sort of freedom fighter making a gesture against the big bad government. The other side of that coin is that he was a terrorist bastard. By "one man's nut job is another's client" I was referring to psychiatrists. Evidently I didn't make myself very clear. | ||
| Glitch |
The only people that would say he's a hero, are people that would do the same as he. Burn his house down Try to kill others in grandiose manner Commit suicide Yep I'm sure there are those that love that sort of thing | ||
| Aesquire |
I completely understood Mr grumpy. And agree. ( and laughed ) Though this nut job he won't be hiring a lawyer or shrink. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100219/ap_on_en_mo/us _people_wesley_snipes_taxes http://www.wlwt.com/news/22600154/detail.html While I think Wesley is a bit on the wrong side here, I think I understand the guy with the bulldozer. | ||
| Sifo |
Something doesn't add up on the bulldozer story. The bank has no power to just claim property. If the bank was in fact taking the property it must have been offered as collateral. If this man has destroyed the collateral that he offered in a contract then he has broken the law and is f***ed. | ||
| P47b |
This whole thing smells of not wanting to pay taxes. I did work with 3 people that got into some scheme that you didn't pay taxes with some Tax Lawyer. Worked fine for 10 years. Then security escorted them out one by one about two years ago. All of them lost there jobs. The last time I talked to one of them she was just happy to have a one bedroom apartment. I found out that the government can make your life miserable to the point of no home, job, auto, & money. She was working cash only jobs just to have a place to have a place to live. My Father found out the hard way with a IRA withdrawal. The fines alone were three times what the original withdrawal was. He lost his VA benefits, SS check, took what was left of his VIP from Boeing and was working on his house before he died. I about lost my house because our names were the same and he had lived here for a long period of time. The IRS doesn't mess around. I still wouldn't do what he did. | ||
| Sifo |
I took some time to read the entire 'Joe Stack manifesto' and it does sound like he has spent decades avoiding paying taxes. He describes his most recent run in with the IRS having to do with "a boatload of undeclared income". Much of it is ranting about how he just hasn't been able to keep his retirement money. I think what he really means is that the money he has saved was from not paying his taxes. What his manifesto is not, is in line with the Tea Party group or any other "extremest" right wing group that I know of. I've never known a right wing group to quote Karl Marx other than to slam Marxism. It seem like some left wingers wanted to do a preemptive strike before Joe is associated with the left. Looks like Hex took the bait in posting this. As for the IRS playing hard ball, there is no question about that. When you sign mortgage papers you agree that the bank can foreclose on the house. This is a legal contract that the IRS can step in and break if they see fit and take the house from you and the bank. This doesn't get you off the hook for what you owe the bank either. Still waiting for proof that some right wing group is hailing Joe as a patriot. That part sounds like pure fiction to me. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Look just because you have read Marx doesnt mean you are a fanatic whack job. Hell I have Marx, Lennin, Stalin, Hitler, Moa, Engle, Smith, Reagan, the Koran and Thoreau on my nightstand book shelf.... doesnt mean I am firing up a plane and gonna run it into a building. If you want to know what the enemy is up to... you best read their rhetoric... you best realize when it is being co-opted and for whose agenda. Those that dont read it are likely to be led by the plagerizers of it. PS I HATE how the Green movement is all about the Cliffs Notes version of Transcendentalism. Fricken liberal azz whiney green mindless zombies Nothin worse that propping up a historical figure for your agenda as an endorsement. MORONs. | ||
| Sifo |
Nothing wrong with reading Marx or anything else. When you are using quotes to support your actions you are now saying that you believe in what that quote says.
That just isn't right wing rhetoric. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
FYI, the majority of the founding fathers believed exclusively in capitalism as the mechanism to own and utilize private wealth. The right to exclusive ownership of your own capital was the surest path to self actualization. The founding fathers would have no problem with the IRS and neither do I. The founding fathers WOULD have an issue with the levying of taxes for purposes other than those enumerated under Article 1, Section 8. If you don't see it on that list, the Federal Government should remove it from the budget starting 2011. THIS is part of what the Tea Party believes. Taxed Enough Already. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
I am very curious how you KNOW what the founding fathers would or would not have a problem with. You borrow Mr Peabody's wayback machine and ask them did you? | ||
| P47b |
Those that don't read it are likely to be led by the plagiarizers of it. I work with people that are being led. Green movement, Health care movement. They are the same ones that say just do something. Just do something got us a Cr*p Trade Bill. And a new prez. And,,,,,,,,,,, Ah not that we had a real choice for a prez that had coverage in the media (Message edited by p47b on February 21, 2010) | ||
| Sifo |
I am very curious how you KNOW what the founding fathers would or would not have a problem with. You borrow Mr Peabody's wayback machine and ask them did you? They did write about it extensively. They did this because they knew people would want to know what their thought were on all sorts of things. Books are a way-back machine.  | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Yes they did write about it quite a bit, but you have NO idea how they would have felt about the IRS or many other issues that are present in today's society that were not present then. To say otherwise is complete and total arrogance at best, DISHONEST at worst. Period. It would be HONEST to say we have a really good idea of what they intended, what they wanted, how they feel about things, but that is all, an IDEA. PS I have read a few books Tom, you don't get an undergraduate and graduate degrees without doing so..and thanks for answering I guess considering I was speaking to someone else. | ||
| Sifo |
They did write about the fact that any government has to collect taxes. The IRS is just the government agency that has been set up to do this. I think it's right in line with their thinking. As far as how much tax is collected, that is congress that determines that. I hope my comment wasn't taken to be to insulting. I did mean to soften it with the winkie. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
I agree that government needs to collect taxes and that it is in line with my understanding of what the founding fathers intended. I do not think they intended the unadulterated power of the IRS. I don't personally have any issues with the IRS, never been audited, never had problems, touch wood and all....but I do not believe that the way our government agencies are ran and the power they can wield is in line with what my understanding of the checks and balances system of government. It was not taken as insulting Tom, no worries. | ||
| Sifo |
If you play by the rules they are usually quite fair. I got audited once and got them to cut ME a check. When you try to avoid paying your taxes they do play hard ball. No doubt about that. Then again, without that reputation we would probably see a lot more folks falling it the traps that Joe Stack did decades ago. | ||
| Swampy |
The IRS is just the government agency that has been set up to do this Um, excuse me, to whom do you write your check to? The United States Department of Treasury? No.... | ||
| Sifo |
As much as I don't like Wikipedia I'll use for this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Treasur y#Organization The IRS reports to the Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy who reports to the Under Secretary for Domestic Finance who reports to the Deputy Secretary of the Treasury who reports to the Secretary of the Treasury who administers the US Dept. of Treasury. Maybe the founding fathers would throw up. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I am very curious how you KNOW what the founding fathers would or would not have a problem with. You borrow Mr Peabody's wayback machine and ask them did you? Although the founding fathers had no idea of the mechanism of collection 200+ years in the future, they understood that one would be created and, as enumerated power of the Federal Government, expected this entity to levy taxes under penalty of law. I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy, but I don't hate the IRS for performing it's function. Now FORCING someone to purchase insurance under penalty of imprisonment, THAT'S unadulterated power. And UNCONSTITUTIONAL. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" Karl Marx..... And if you have studied the Communist Revolution, and Soviet Socialist state, you will know that it wasnt Marxist. One of the big tenets was that Lenin believed you could forcibly instill Communism and skip socialism by violent revolution and force the masses into a shackled capitalist state that would kickstart the communist utopia.... Lenin was not a fan of Marx, and executed more than a fair share of Marxists. Lenins first attempt at reform after the revolution was a mandated capitalism because it was the most effective way of raising hard currency to fund his continued Revolution. NEP was not Marxism, it was gangster capitalism. Marx and Hegel believed in the continuim of Royal Hegemony > Fuedalism > Capitalism > Socialism > Communism > Utopia . Watch the rhetoric, and always get the info direct from the source, not somebody else mouthpiece for the agenda. | ||
| Milt |
Was the word "capitalism" even used in middle 1700s? |
