| Author | Message | ||
     Nukeblue |
judge napalitano and ron paul are coming to columbus march 8th to do a live recording of freedom watch. i'm there!! these are true freedom fighters | ||
| Indybuell |
Palin / Pence - 2012! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The PEOPLE are "leading" the Tea Party movement. You can try to besmirch the movement as "astro turf" if you'd like, but it isn't true. Palin spoke at the request of Tea Party organizers. She isn't the leader. Scott Brown spoke at a Tea Party meeting this week. The aim of the Tea Party is to return to a strict constructionist view point of the Constitition, shrink Government, and a balanced budget. The goal is to promote and support candidates who share these core beliefs. Laugh all you want. Call the participants "uneducated", "simpletons", whatever. Palin wasn't interesting as a "populist" candidate. She was interesting because she promoted CONSERVATIVE ideals. Conservatism isn't populist. | ||
| Indybuell |
Exactly Fat. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Of presidential and vice presidential candidates for president in the last election, I would have picked Palin for president. Call me ignorant if you wish. The key attributes I saw in her, that all other candidates were completely lacking, were: 1) When she told me something, I could believe she thought it was the truth, and would stand behind it and act on it. 2) She would be extremely dangerous to anyone in public deriving personal (or even party) gains ahead of the good of themselves before the good of the nation. 3) She would have little or no tolerance for "soft corruption" like clear conflicts of interest (cough barney frank cough). 4) She would have and demand accountability for everyone in government. I wasn't completely comfortable with her foreign policy experience, but she was had a sound core set of guiding values (unlike Obama), and say stupid things just to be clever (unlike Biden). Clinton, as much as she annoys me in other regards, at least wasn't naive like Obama, but at the end of the day I worried she would bomb asprin factories when we really needed troops on the ground (and our enemies would know it). Attributes 1,2, and 3 above are pretty important ones, and have been lacking in the white house since... I don't know when... I'm waiting to see if Newt enters the race. I honestly don't know much about him, but the few times I have heard him interviewed, he sounded pretty sharp. Romney felt like a Republican Bill Clinton. Not awful for the job, very centrist, but not really an inspiring leader either. He certainly would have been better then Obama or McCain though, he would at least do an OK job of "running the business". | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Call me ignorant if you wish. I'll bite. Palin doesn't say stupid things to be cute. She says stupid things because she can't help it. She's actually stupid. (Message edited by Mountainstorm on February 19, 2010) (Message edited by Mountainstorm on February 19, 2010) | ||
| Fdl3 |
"She has been subjected to such irrational vituperation..." vituperation noun: abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will *cough cough* mountainstorm *cough cough* | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Most pseudo-intellectuals claim others to be stupid. It makes them feel more intelligent. Prime examples:   | ||
| Sifo |
It's funny that Palin gets represented as stupid or uneducated by the media. How do you respond to a question asking about the "Bush Doctrine". There was no official Bush Doctrine. The best answer would be to slam the interviewer for his incompetence and ignorance. During the VP debates I was waiting for questions on energy policy. When that part of the debate came the ONLY question was about energy conservation policies. For anyone who was paying attention it was very clear that the media was steering clear of any of her strengths. Also as Governor she did a great job of getting rid of corruption from her own party resulting in a good number of people leaving office and some going to jail. Show me a Democratic Governor with that kind of record. Given half a chance with the right experience I think she could make a very good leader. Clearly that is recognized by many that fear what she represents. If not they would not keep up the unprovoked attacks on her character. | ||
| Drkside79 |
You betcha Joe six pack. I'm a hockey mom. FAIL | ||
| Drkside79 |
BTW I'm willing to bet Maher is more intelligent than Palin. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm willing to bet Maher is more intelligent than Obama and Biden combined. Take Biden out of the equation and it might be a bit closer for Obama though.  | ||
| Drkside79 |
Obama is by no means stupid. Combine that with the fact that he is wildly charismatic and he has the potential to do great things for this country. On the flip side .... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Maher refuses to actually debate any conservatives with any weight. He will only have lightweights on his show and then must have 3 other liberals to help him out. No, he's no intellectual. He will only do combat on his turf with a 4 to one advantage. | ||
| Sifo |
Actually Obama off teleprompter is a slightly better than average speaker. Worse than most politicians. Calling him 'wildly charismatic' makes you look a bit unrealistic. Bill Clinton was far more charismatic. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I've heard someone else in the 20th century characterized as "wildly charismatic". Charisma is no guarantee of a moral compass. Charisma absent ethics and good judgment creates unfortunate outcomes. | ||
| Sifo |
A bit more on how smart/stupid BO is... He claimed that the surge in Iraq would make things worse there. He was flat out wrong. His fiscal policies are beginning to take effect. Unemployment is higher than he said it would go without his stimulus package. Producer inflation numbers that just came out were 1.4% if I recall correctly. That's 16.8% projected annually. He promised to make up the 10,000 troops he shorted the military in Afghanistan with other NATO troops. He has failed on that too. Just the phrase "jobs created or saved" should make you wonder WTF he's talking about. It's a made up statistic that cannot possibly be measured. It's a shame that the media has let him get away with it. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
I am wondering how much of an impact Joseph Stack's act will have on the country as a whole or if he will be taken up as a martyr to the far right as well as a terrorist to the far left....all this talk of Sarah and her ability to be elected I think all stems from this question...is Obama going to be SO BAD as to enable Sarah to be electable, the same as GWB was SO BAD he enabled a inept under-qualified public speaker, because he has no original thought, it is all written for him, to be elected. Popular vote if unspoiled by the likes of ACORN, may swing sharply right if at the end of the four years of "change", if it is the same if not worse that it was four years earlier...if there is a small up turn I wonder if the Obama will try that old Reagan argument...are you better off than you were four years ago? Anything is possible and I think Joseph Stack may be the match that lit the fuse, we will see soon enough, and I think that if Obama's popularity keeps steadily declining and his actions remain as they have since taking office he will definitely enable Sarah or someone very much like her to be electable. | ||
| Sifo |
Stack's final writings sound more like a left winger than a right winger. I certainly don't seem him a a martyr for the right. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Ft while I assume you make reference to an evil German fellow I would prefer to think of the one with a dream. | ||
| Hootowl |
While I agree with a lot of what he wrote, he lost my support the moment he decided to kill someone over it. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Why would he be a martyr? He will be viewed as the wacko he was. Why would the Daniel Shaull who set himself on fire not be viewed as a martyr of the left? He was characterized as a victim of mental illness and yet Stack will be viewed as a right wing terrorist. Just another McVeigh. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ft while I assume you make reference to an evil German fellow I would prefer to think of the one with a dream. I make no specific references so as not to be portrayed as a right wing bomb thrower. MLK was a charismatic individual WITH a moral compass. Reagan was too. Jim Jones was charismatic without a moral compass. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I still think people have placed unreal expectations on him. I also hear all of this every time a Dem is in office. On another note Sifo i believe you live around me. What to ride at some point and not discuss politics at all? | ||
| Drkside79 |
I do believe that Obama has a moral compass BTW. | ||
| Sifo |
That just doesn't sound like a right winger to me. http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/59959,news-comment,n ews-politics,read-joseph-stacks-communist-manifest o | ||
| Sifo |
I do believe that Obama has a moral compass BTW. He also had a spiritual leader. Probably part of his moral compass. | ||
| Drkside79 |
and the ride? | ||
| Reepicheep |
OK, lets make a list and see who runs out first... everyone can contribute... Obama: "He acted stupidly." (a statement about a police officer, by the chief executive, made when he had NO actual facts about the case). | ||
| Sifo |
Obama: "I've now been to 57 states!" (To be fair though we should be comparing VP candidates. Quoting Biden would really be fun!) |
