| Author | Message | ||
     Moxnix |
The Crockett story is read by some and interpreted at face value. Mmmmm, sort of like our Constitution. It is read by others and interpreted they way "they" interpret the Constitution. Huh, Davey Crockett has been dead since 1836 and his surviving words teach some people and puts others on the emotional cheese grater. That's why I'm so happy to be an American who recognizes heroes. Salon. I read Cammille Paglia and that's it. Everything else is the electronic medium equivalent of something in which to wrap fish. Not casting aspersions, mind. Just wanting a decent future for my children: All the freedoms guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution, the right to vote in our democratic republic, and a future without hellish debt saddled on them by a Congress who tosses out billions of dollars like candy on Halloween. | ||
| Road_thing |
“Since you have chosen to elect a man with a timber toe to succeed me, you may all go to hell and I will go to Texas.” --Davy Crockett  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Obama administration did create a new job out in Nevada.... the Prostidude. Go forth and fund the economy  | ||
| Aptbldr |
Posted article presents pattern of conservative political movements deifying folks out of history, like Crockett, seeking support for regressive fantasies of an idealized past. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Posted article presents pattern of conservative political movements deifying folks out of history, like Crockett, seeking support for regressive fantasies of an idealized past. Really? You want to throw THIS rock? Ok, I'll play.  The difference is WHO we are supporting. For Liberals it's: Che Mao Castro Lennin Talk about fantasies of an idealized past.  | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I'm into idealizing a bit further back...like the French revolution where the masses rose up and started beheading the rich bastards (no offense to merely Fat Bastards) that were living high off the hog as the man in the street starved. Now that's something I can think on fondly. Let's start with every executive that got a bonus of a Million dollars or more. Whack...thump...YAY! Then we could move to our elected officials that gave away all of our money and put us in debt for the next century... At this point I don't even care if it makes things better...I just want the (again my apologies) the Bastards to pay in blood. | ||
| Conchop |
Blake - it is what it is. Bitter and insulting much the same as the questionable ethics and perspectives of those who want to try out for a position on some right wing radio show. Parrots or Patriots depend on the results. The record of the Right Wing Conservative movement is there, and no amount of time travel can revive a past of ruthless manifest destiny here or in the middle east, much less erase the horrible "numbers" on objective reports. The results of conservative leadership go far to prove it is a disastrous path to follow. So when I hear it or read it, it is comedy, very dark comedy. As for Crocket, his time had no huge industry or major corporations buying the politicians other than the tea companies of the crown and wealthy planters. They were the ones who convinced landless white men to fight for the Confederacy much the same way today's wealthy corporations convince you that the tree-hugging liberal welfare mothers are your sworn enemy. Compare and contrast Crockets letter to the story of Stonewall Jackson's mother. She died of starvation. How ironic is the comparison of this history and what the right wing is still proposing. Today we have society. Yet the tea baggers want to go back to a time where there is no sense of society, only the accomplishments of a very few brilliant individuals. They have no viable plan other than turning the USA into some high speed banana republic. If we allow failures, we lose our society. You may claim socialism, yet once we review our purchases, I am quite sure they bulk of them come from Communist countries. This constitutes an epic hypocrisy. So yes, I belittle those whose hypocrisy and and failed logic attempt to convince me that corporate welfare is OK yet if the corporation were to fail, especially those which are vital to our national economic security, this is considered tantamount to the end of the American Dream. I am bitter at those who attempt to convince me that the past administration was not conservative enough. I laugh at those who want their country back because they didn't lose it in the first place and it is just as much mine. I believe in Logic, Ethics, and Quality. Irrefutable and progressive. There is the substance. Yet I will fill my dram cup with pure white lightning and toast your efforts to convince me that left is right and down is up. Its a free country. This is the point where the proverbial lines my personal hypocrisy and sense of humor meet. | ||
| Aptbldr |
Presenting other viewpoints is like throwing rocks? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yes. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Go take a look at Lennin's New Economic Policy (NEP) 21-26.... it reads like a play book of what they want to do here. Then go look at the purges, and imprisionments that he did to everyone that opposed it... And look how Stalin picked up that ball and ran with it. Read the playbooks people, you will quit embracing their rhetoric quickly. | ||
| Blake |
Don (Conchop), I'm not interested in mere rhetoric. Blah, blah, blah, all just fancy sounding talk devoid of substance, typical left-wing emotion-driven nonsense, nothing but hollow baloney. Save it for the choir. You beloved Socialism is bankrupting our nation, $1,440,000,000,000 just to support your beloved entitlement programs this year alone, and your buddies in Washington want to grow that by huge leaps and bounds to cover government health care. I feel like a slave to the government. It ain't right. | ||
| Blake |
"Posted article presents pattern of conservative political movements deifying folks out of history, like Crockett, seeking support for regressive fantasies of an idealized past." Only if you are a Socialist who seeks to rewrite history (lie) so that you can "fundamentally change the United States of America" into an even more Socialist, one-world nanny state. Honest folks will recognize that our nation has drifted so far from it founding principles as to be nearly unrecognizable, freedom has been stolen by self-appointed do-gooder elitists in Washington, DC. It's long past time for freedom loving Americans to reclaim our rights, our liberty. | ||
| Aptbldr |
What person yearns for return to cholera, slavery, and a male-only vote? Ah, the good old days of America. When there were rights, freedom, and liberty. When were the good ole days in America for my right-wing Nazi BadWeb comrades, anyway? | ||
| Hootowl |
The Nazis were leftists. "What person yearns for return to cholera, slavery, and a male-only vote?" Yes, what person does? Certainly none of my "right-wing Nazi BadWeb comrades", and certainly not me. You, like most lefties, confuse conservatism with racism. Disease? Who banned DDT again? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
What person yearns for return to cholera, slavery, and a male-only vote? Ah, the good old days of America. When there were rights, freedom, and liberty. When were the good ole days in America for my right-wing Nazi BadWeb comrades, anyway?  | ||
| Conchop |
Quite the contrary, Blake, I'm a business owner, not a socialist. I have the freedom to call it what I want - I don't answer to a boss. The business of America is business. When times are good, I do real good. When times are bad, I hunker down and look for work. I grow a lot of my own food. Sustainability is a good thing. But my observations are my own. I keep my own counsel and the right wingers I do business with are great sport. I don't play by their rules or anyone else [ as long as business is good !!!LOL] | ||
| Blake |
I am not speaking of a time, not of any "good ole days", I speak of principles. I speak of freedom. Freedom for all, no matter physical appearance or ethnic origin or sexual orientation, or status wrt the birth canal. ALL must be free and be afforded the rights to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS. I don't know what you are getting at wrt cholera. That just makes you sound like a moron. | ||
| Aptbldr |
"I don't know what you are getting at wrt cholera. That just makes you sound like a moron." Sorry, Blake. You've posted before you don't read well. I'd believed you were kidding around. | ||
| Brumbear |
See what I mean finger pointing who gives a ••••••••••••••••• We need to fix it and if it takes kicking ass and taking names you better be ready to do it. This problem aint going away it's getting worse. I don't care how things get done they need to get done what doesn't work we can change as we go but we have to be willing to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Must be winter on the motorcycle forums. Can't wait to ride! | ||
| Sifo |
Aptbldr, I've got to agree with Blake. Cholera? WTF are you talking about. Nobody is talking about going back to slavery or taking the vote from anybody. It is unfortunate that so few people seem to understand what the Constitution actually allows for. The sad thing is that Liberals by definition don't want to take the Constitution as it was written. They believe in a liberal interpretation of it. They call it a living document. They attempt to impose change by circumventing the means of change provided for in the very Constitution that they are changing. Conchop, what business are you in? Your profile says "green technologies". That's a red flag to me right there. The green movement is a tool of the Communist and Socialist groups. | ||
| Aptbldr |
My ill-received references, explained: 1) Cholera, represents public health. Public health, harbinger of socialism. 2) Slavery, represents deified-forefathers' breadth & range defining life, liberty & pursuit of happiness. 3) Citing voting rights, reflects again how things have changed since those dudes were in-the-know. I don't feel there's something wrong with America today. Unemployment; eight years of war; gov't & banks gettin' married... Nothing wrong, but it IS funky. Ever had to work around a foul smell? After even an hour, it's not so stinky anymore. Imagining all the way back to 1776, perhaps one can hardly smell a thing. | ||
| Hootowl |
Public health and universal health care are two entirely separate entities. Sewage treatment, trash pickup, and vaccination programs promote public health. Fining me if I don't carry health insurance does not promote public health. Slavery has gone on since the dawn of Man, it isn't an American invention. Americans were not tramping through the African jungles kidnapping folks to bind into slavery, warring tribes in Africa were selling their enemies to the Portuguese as slaves. It was the Africans who were selling themselves into slavery. The constitution neither requires nor encourages slavery. I don't see how the issue of slavery relates to a discussion about the merits of adhering to the constitution. | ||
| 46champ |
I really like how you liberals always find away of bring up racism and slavery. Not getting rid of slavery was the one big error of the Constitution and the founders knew it. They also knew if they insisted on freeing the slaves the Constitution wouldn't get signed and one by one the states would fall to some European empire. Remember the slavery problem got solved with a 4 year war and about 635,000 deaths. Nobody in this part of the political spectrum is advocating a return to that policy but a bunch of Progressives seem to want the citizenry to become slaves of the state. | ||
| Sifo |
1) Cholera, represents public health. Public health, harbinger of socialism. I really have no clue where you are trying to head with this. Better health care solutions have come from free enterprise than socialism. The current debate isn't about health care... It's about insurance. That is a financial debate. 2) Slavery, represents deified-forefathers' breadth & range defining life, liberty & pursuit of happiness. Many of the founding fathers felt slavery was wrong at the writing of the Constitution and spoke their minds on this matter. The sad fact is that allowing slavery was ignoring what the founding fathers wrote into the constitution. This was fixed by a Republican within the span of a single persons lifetime of the signing of the Constitution. Seems that you are on the wrong side of this point. 3) Citing voting rights, reflects again how things have changed since those dudes were in-the-know. Again, voting rights issues were a problem because the essence of the Constitution was ignored. Again you might want to examine the roll of some Democrats in suppressing black voter rights. They aren't exactly in a position to brag about their history on this issue. | ||
| Hootowl |
If you get a chance, go read the suicide note of the guy that crashed his plane into the IRS building in Austin today. It describes a level of frustration that I think a lot of us are feeling. Granted this guy is off his rocker, but still. | ||
| Sifo |
If you get a chance, go read the suicide note of the guy that crashed his plane into the IRS building in Austin today. It describes a level of frustration that I think a lot of us are feeling. Granted this guy is off his rocker, but still. I have to agree. I had a conversation yesterday that really threw me. One of out mechanics was talking about the possibility of violence because of the frustration in the job market. He made the comparison to when he participated in riots in Humboldt Park in the 60's. Tensions are getting way too high right now. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
At the time of the drafting of the Constitution, slaves were LEGAL property. Many of the founding fathers HATED slavery. Nearly all of the founding fathers HATED having a government tell private citizens what they could and couldn't do with their private property. They hated governmental intrusion into the lives of private citizens even MORE than slavery. There was not a LEGAL way to deprive individuals of their LEGAL property, slaves, and maintain the framework of the Constitution. This WASN'T due to a love of slavery. | ||
| Sifo |
Good point about 'legal property'. Anyway you slice it though, slavery was abolished in a fairly short period of time after signing the Constitution. I would call that a record that our country can be proud of considering it was the precedence at the birth of the US. I find it sad that so many find this to be a point that they find fault with the US on. | ||
| Conchop |
It seems to me that if we were to have the kind of country you neo cons envision, we would end up with a form of paid slavery. NO UNIONS ALLOWED! NO MINIMUM WAGES! For some reason, conservatives do not appreciate these concepts. Its what you see in banana republics, parts of China, and India. Very little gov't oversight as long as they get their take. That's why you shoes are so cheap and your jobs moved away. Little government gets you little pay. This equals big bonuses for the big boys. Rent a slave for a day, send him out on the streets after the shift. Hmmmm. Sounds like what has been happening here since the Reagan years! So much for defined benefits and pensions! Way to go, cons! |
