| Author | Message | ||
     Danger_dave |
Are they moose nuts? | ||
| Jonny5 |
"Are they moose nuts?" NICE!!!! You should hear some of the comments I get from people when I tell them I photograph nuts for a living!  -J5 | ||
| Jonny5 |
Rkc00 - looks cold! Do you ever shoot in the water? -J5 | ||
| Danger_dave |
Moved to sample pics thread. (Message edited by danger_dave on February 08, 2010) | ||
| Court |
>>> Let me know if you are intersted. I'll take it. How about you sell it mounted to your D700?  | ||
| Rkc00 |
Jonny5, It was 20 deg out Saturday with no sun. It was cold. I was on the beach for 4 hours while he was in the water for 4 hours. The surfers always say I am nuts to stand out in the cold. I have not gotten in the water yet. Mike Long Island, NY | ||
| Damnut |
Mike if Court isn't interested, I may be. | ||
| Rkc00 |
Court, Make me an offer. Everything is for sale. I will get a new D3S Mike Long Island, NY | ||
| Rkc00 |
Court and Damnut, Let me get it to Nikon next week and get it refurbished. It has been used a lot and it shows it. I will let you know after I see how much it will cost to get it refurbished. Damnut, How is the Tamron 200-500 lens treating you? Mike Long Island, NY | ||
| Mikej |
Johnny5, Thanks for the info on Art's. I think there is (or was) one close to the current day job here. I'll run over there at lunch tomorrow and see what they offer. (in the last hour things just got jumpy here, game plan may change tomorrow, or not. Livin' on the ragged edge of the economy digging my nails in.) | ||
| Davegess |
Nikon, Canon both good. Big advantage is that pretty much any lens you buy will work well with newer bodies for quite a long time. Not as long as they did before the digital madness but better than some lesser brand might. Couple of lenses with the fasted f stop you can afford. I have a bunch of old single focus Zuikos and I having F1.4 avalable in low light is great. Get more than one flash AND LEARN HOW TO UEs THEM. Light difussers, umbrellas, bounce cards are all hugly helpful but itis more helpful to understand what they are doing and why. I know and old pro newspaper guy who could, in a jam, get a decent head shot with a single bare flash bulb. He knew where in a room to place it. I knew another old pro who only got decent shots with multiple fancy flashes when he got lucky. He had no idea what the light was doing, not interested in learning. He liked available light photography. Practice, it is not the camera or the lens, it is the photogs brain that makes the picture. If you want to be a pro you need to practice and study. figure out HOW someone got a good shot, what the light is doing, etc. Good luck it is great fun but I hate weddings. I always refused to do them, too much stress  | ||
| Damnut |
Mike it's great so far. I've used it about a half dozen times, no problems yet. | ||
| Jonny5 |
No problem, I'd give them a call first - I think they recently closed one of the stores and opened a new one - I think they now have the one in Waukesha and one in Greenfield. I rented a Canon 1D and a 70-200 lens from them a few years ago, but I don't see those on their rental list anymore? -J5 | ||
| Jonny5 |
If you go the Canon route and eventually want to work up to a 7D/5D/1D level - make sure you invest in the "EF" lenses, not the "EFS" ones. They will all work on the lower models, but the "EFS" ones won't work on the 7D/5D/1D series. I only mention this because there are some great "EFS" lenses out now but unless Canon changes something on their Hi-End models, those lenses won't work on them. -Just a heads-up, I'm not sure if Nikon does anything similar or not. -J5 | ||
| Delta_one |
I have a very new D90 (picked it up 2 or 3 weeks ago) and I love it. low ISO noise and a great menu set up. it is very programmable to your own preferences. the Canon bodies did not feel as nice in that manner. they are both very nice, but for me it came down to the Nikon glass and the ease of use. the remote flash control is also AWESOME! I contemplated a 300s but it didn't do enough for the extra money. the D90 is a better starter DSLR anyway. (I have used 35mm SLR's in the past but I still feel way behind the curve) My next if I keep up with this in 6 years or so Ill get a D700 or the equivalent of the year. | ||
| Rkc00 |
Just called Cameta Camera and will be getting the new 70-200 VR II in the next day. I get most of my equipment from them. They are local to me and have always been fair with me. The only thing is I have to pay the NYS sales tax. I also dropped off my 70-200 VR I at nikon at lunch. I will have it back in 7-10 days. I will let anyone interested in it know what my plans are with it once I get it back. The new one cost me close to $2400 Mike Long Island, NY | ||
| Danger_dave |
>> the fasted f stop you can afford.<< It's not 'that' important anymore - midrange units go ISO800 with very little grain. Top end bodies go even higher. | ||
| Rkc00 |
This shot was at Nikon D3, ISO 4000, 85mm, f 1.4, 1/640  There are still times that you need fast glass or you will not get the shot. Mike Long island, NY (Message edited by RKC00 on February 09, 2010) | ||
| Jonny5 |
>>There are still times that you need fast glass or you will not get the shot<< Or the depth of field you want. -J5 | ||
| Davegess |
I go for the fast glass as much for the shallow depth as anything else. On of the more popular photojournalists lenses of all time is the 180 mm 2.8. When you do a head shot with this wide open the background just falls away. As far as ISO speed I don't care how much yo have you alwasy want more so I say get teh fastest lens you can afford. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Ferkin' old schoolers. I think it's a sliding scale of variables. Cost of body, ISO speed, cost of lens, F stop, likelihood to be thrown down the road in a motorcycle crash, etc etc... | ||
| Danger_dave |
But them I'm also happy to photoshop the daylights out of images. Pun intended :-P | ||
| Danger_dave |
And I'b be pinning that finger roll crud against the backboard and yellin' 'not in my house' at him as they hauled him out of the crowd. (This is called writing cheques that your knees can no longer cash) (Message edited by danger_dave on February 09, 2010) | ||
| Ratyson |
Ole 22 is about to get the Dirty Sanches there... ! lol.. couldn't resist. Great capture Rkc, looks great! | ||
| Hex |
It's not 'that' important anymore - midrange units go ISO800 with very little grain. DD hate to disagree with you here, but this thread was started with wedding photography in mind. I have shot about 20 in the last five years, and every time I do, I wish I had used the faster lens. The large aperture lenses are a necessity for AUTOFOCUS in LOWLIGHT situations. Try taking table shots of guests when they are eating and the crappy 4.5f lens will not focus. Or try catching the bouquet and grader tosses in mid air indoors in low light, or dancing shots, or banquet candids. I have just missed too many shots to consider anything above 2.8f as professional. All your racing shots are done in daylight, so I can understand your position. It's not about image quality if your camera ranges through focus when it is supposed to take a picture. It's not an iso quality issue if you can't get the shot to begin with. You do know how autofocus works? The lens is wide open for focusing, then when the image is captured, the lens stops down. | ||
| Hex |
Also, large aperture lenses give you a much brighter mental image in the viewfinder. These low to mid-range dSLR's mentioned make me feel like I'm looking down a microscope tube, with half the apparent view finder size than even 35mm film cameras. At least when you use a large aperture lens, you can see the brightest image to compose your shot. | ||
| Danger_dave |
It depends what you are doing. Guy at the camera shop told me the kit lens on my Canon was 'absolute crap'. I won a major comp and made $4k from one image off it. I;m not saying that the fastest lens is not better, just that it isn't as important to the 'overall picture' (I kill myself sometimes) for averge users as it once was - because of the advancements in the capture device. | ||
| Mikej |
The lens I used the most with my film Canon AE1 was a 50mm f1.4. I learned to appreciate a fast lens. I ran over to Art's at lunch to see what they had (Waukesha store). Nikon D90 was out of stock so I couldn't see what it handled like. They did have a used Nikon D60 body and a used D80 body, but when I got back and checked some links I'll pass on those two (cash isn't in hand yet anyway). I also checked their rental rates, no D90, camera and two lenses and a flash would run me beyond what I'd want to spend for a day. While a wedding is the current motivator for this search I also take a lot of family pics indoors and at events, birthday parties, indoor soccer, dance things, so a lot of the wedding stuff should cover the other stuff as well. Then away from the weddings I find myself in low light, evening, early morning, tree covered times and places, all of which would benefit from a faster lens. Throw in wildlife stuff and shooting pics from dense marsh brush where I don't want and can't readily use a flash and a good and fast lens becomes a priority. I can't afford those high zoot lenses that are usually painted white, so my budget will ultimately drive the final choice. I'm halfway starting to think I might be better off with just getting a Nikon P90 Coolpix which would be a big upgrade from our current cameras, and would get us out of the borrowed camera hassle. I'll have to check if it can take a remote cabled flash though. Then keep my eyes open on the new and used market until the local bicycle market opens up and I can raise some funds for better camera gear. I'd have to live with and anticipate the shutter lag for repeat shots though when using a flash. Then there is the Canon Rebel stuff to consider. I guess if I get a non-swappable lens then I should look at features. And price. Or just get some practice with a pencil and become a sketch artist, one picture per event or gathering . Argh, analysis paralysis. I envy you folks who can make a living at this, or at least have the gear pay for itself. Someday, maybe, if I work towards it I'll be able to make a go of it. But for now I'm happy as an amateur and will get what I can to work with along the way. | ||
| Danger_dave |
How do I know about improvements in the devices? :-) I've still got a 100 somewhere - that worked when I laid it down. Boy was it sad - but I sold digital files to Real Estate Agents way back then.  | ||
| Rkc00 |
MikeJ, Look at the Canon G11. Jon has one and loves it. I would not get the Nikon P90. How soon do you need this for the wedding? Mike Long Island, NY |
