| Author | Message | ||
     Xbrad9r |
in case the gas pedal doesn't fix the uncontrolled acceleration issue, while they do the recall, dealers have been instructed to also increase the car's horn volume. | ||
| Jon |
Fall at our American feet and be dismayed foreign auto maker!!! I hope our car makers grow into menacing giants!!! Seriously, my Prius ain't bad, my wife's Murano is great too. The dealers really take care of us. But I love my 2006 GMC Sierra the best. | ||
| Cowboy |
I hate to disapoint you BUT the Toyota motor Co. has 2 vendors one in Japan and one in U S A the only ones that have failed are U S A. made | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Toyota announced today a brake problem on the Prius as well. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Annnnnd the hits keep on coming... | ||
| Nukeblue |
cowboy, i heard there were some complaints in japan as well.. | ||
| Froggy |
Don't believe Toyota's lies. There have been 14 reports in Japan in two months. http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_new s/article.jsp?content=D9DKEO280 Toyota finally admitted what I said a while back, its software problem, they are just covering it up as bad pedals and floormats. http://jalopnik.com/5464094/toyota-admits-prius-br ake-software-problem-not-because-of-the-woz | ||
| Cowboy |
I supose you can hear any thing but at our dealership we have not had a single complant on our emport models and our sales are still climbing.--we have a couple of acres of parked models waiting for our mechanics to convert them,they are working over time to get them out. | ||
| Sphere79 |
Not to mention the Prius cruise control issue that I don't believe has even been addressed: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/RunawayToyotas/apple -founder-toyota-problem-software/story?id=9728007 What's scary is he can duplicate the software bug and has been trying to get it addressed for a few months. There's also a home video made 4 years ago by a CT resident showing her Toyota SUV accelerating on it's own while the brakes are applied. Gotta love how the US media (who take allot of advertising dollars from Toyota) initially said Toyota was voluntarily recalling problem vehicles, when in actuality they were ordered to by the US government. And don't forget about the Tundra spare tires potentially falling onto roadways after rust eats away at the housing either - it's going to take years for Toyota's reputation to recover after this mess. Given the circumstances, could Toyota's "Moving Forward" slogan be more appropriate? (Message edited by sphere79 on February 04, 2010) | ||
| Froggy |
At my old job we had an 07 Prius, I had the cruise control bug happen to me once, it did scare the crap out of me when the car started to try and accelerate and fight my brakes, but it only happened that one time so I didn't think anything of it. | ||
| Sphere79 |
If you look at the comments in that article some folks are claiming that it happened to them on some other late-model Toyota's too. Something just isn't adding up, and what's going to happen when the "fix" doesn't fix the problem? Gotta love the NHTSA guy I saw on tv this morning assuring everyone that the problems will be fixed. Really? If you're so trustworthy how did it happen in the first place? How is it that this problem has apparently been going on for years and is just now being addressed? | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Cowboy, I certainly wouldn't trust Toyota to be all the trustworthy about this. It's easy to point the finger at an American supplier. But it's far more likely this is a software issue that Toyota has yet to admit to. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10446502-64.html ?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 I've always questioned people when they tell me how stone dead reliable Toyotas are. I just ask why aren't Toyota mechanics starving?  | ||
| Prowler |
Regardless, I'd want to keep in mind that all the Toyota vehicles made here in the States are designed in Japan and the parts from whatever supplier still have to meet the quality/tolerance requirements of Toyota and be accepted by Toyota prior to build. My Jeep's looking better all the time. (Message edited by prowler on February 04, 2010) | ||
| Court |
I would trust neither Toyota or General Motors. | ||
| Froggy |
Go back to your exploding on rear impact Fords. At least Ford handled that correctly, and got the fix out for that fast. | ||
| Bads1 |
Steve you may be surprised on how many parts on some of these Toyotas are GM and at one time AC delco. When I bought mine I made sure my Vin started with a J meaning Japan. If it was A it was here and usually more trouble. Something I learned from a friend that was a Toyota master. But that was through the 90's up through 2004. | ||
| Court |
>>>At least Ford handled that correctly, and got the fix out for that fast. Ford . . . and I'm not dyed in the wool enough to say or think they do this all the time. . . raised the bar on customer service excellence when they did the suspension recalls on the GT-40. | ||
| Davegess |
Most recalls, even ones that the government forces, are called voluntary because the automaker ussually caves to NHTSA's pressure at some time and issues the recall. The only involuntary ones woudl be if they refused to issue the notice and NHTSA had to do it. H-D and Buell have done truly voluntary recalls. Issuing the notice before NHTSA even realised that there was a problem. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I was talking with someone who just retired from a domestic parts supplier for most car makers. Over the last 10 years, Toyota and Honda set the absolute standard about helping domestic suppliers succeed, and taking quality and repeatability to nearly absurd extremes. He did mention that over the last few years, Ford has completely caught up with them. And GM hasn't. But you didn't hear that from me.  That's not to say Toyota didn't screw up. Clearly they did. It's to say it wasn't for lack of trying, and that Toyota is very good to their US suppliers (if a little over the top on process). | ||
| Timxb9s |
I remember back in early 1999 a friend of mine bought the brand new Pontiac GTP w/ a supercharged V6. Here on L.I. there was only one dealer that had the two first ones to be delivered in the area. A black one and a white one. We took the white one out for a test ride and beat the s**t out of it. When we returned he handed the salesman back the keys and said, " I'll take the black one." Took delivery of it the next day, and took it for a road trip to the casino in CT. I was driving it along I95 with the cruise control set @ about 75 mph. I applied the brakes to disengage and slow the car down because of traffic up ahead. That friggin' thing just down shifted and tried to speed back up on me !!!! I can say from experience that a vehicle wanting to accelerate on its own can be quite scary, especially a powerful one. I composed myself and shut the cruise off manually and didn't use it again. When my buddy called the dealer and told them of the problem, he was told by the service manager that those cars weren't supposed to be sold until the brake switches were replaced under recall. | ||
| Buell2001b |
so much for Japanese being Superior to Americans | ||
| Reepicheep |
And so much for the Americans being superior to the Japanese. My experience has been both countries are capable of making remarkable products. The problem now is that we don't know if the Federal Government is making a big deal of this because they are worried, or if they are doing it because GM and Chrysler stand to benefit from tearing Toyota down. Notice that right before this really blew up, the Obama adminstration owned GM subsidary was advertising $1000 rebates to trade in those dangerous Toyotas. It doesn't matter what the governments motives really are, it's a 100% clear conflict of interest. They should either get out of the business of running car companies, or get out of the business of regulating car companies. | ||
| Buellboiler |
Do you know that the Pinto fiasco was based upon an accident that occurred in Evansville, Indiana? A drunk in a full size van rear ended a Pinto that was stationary on the road waiting for traffic to clear so they could make a left turn. The full size van was doing 80 mph when it hit the Pinto. There is NO compact that could survive that hit, including the safest one made today! I really doubt that any car (without respect to size) could protect the occupants when exposed to a hit of this magnitude. This kind of puts that story into perspective doesn't it? | ||
| Froggy |
How about both? | ||
| Court |
Toyota is going to have to screw up a lot worse than they have to get down to GM's level. The feds have no business owning car companies and I, like many, would never spend a nickel with a government owned car company. The problems with the Toyota pale in comparison to the new Camaro. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
Didn't i hear the solution to the Toyota gas pedal is a SHIM? | ||
| Froggy |
What problems with the new Camaro? Only issues I have read were with pre production models. Only production "issue" I have read about was the use of wheel weights on the brake calipers to reduce noise, and even that was only on the earlier units as they revised the calipers. EVERY new vehicle has teething issues. | ||
| Court |
>>>EVERY new vehicle has teething issues. That's the claim of the guys on the Camaro board. They got so tired of all the motojournailsts coming to their site and "pirating" their long list of complaints that they took it down. I posted the website the other day. But even the most cursory search raises concerns. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211 12  Toss in the fact that the company is bankrupt and the attitude of the remaining workers probably ain't the best . . . . and well . . I'd wait. My point is that the Toyota thing doesn't, necessarily, translate into a USA vs. Japanese car issue. | ||
| Court |
P.S. - by the way . . . I agree about the 1st year. The Porsche Cayman, now one of the most reliable cars made and 2nd on the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction list, came out in 2006 and there were a couple doozies. Anything from 2007 on is considered bulletproof. | ||
| Dentguy |
These things happen and Toyota will be OK. I'm personally sick of hearing about it constantly on the news. But that's what the news channels do. Remember this 9.6 million vehicle recall. http://www.ford.com/dynamic/metatags/article-detai l/223_important_notice_voluntary_recall_update |
