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Froggy
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 02:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


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I am also a buy American guy. When I brought my new Chevy Silverado home in 1994 I found a note under the hood saying made in Canada.
I respect our northern brothers but damn, I wanted a USA made vehicle.




In 94 GM had 4 plants cranking out Silverados:
Oshawa, Ontario
Pontiac, Michigan
Flint, Michigan
Fort Wayne, Indiana

You only had a 1 in 4 shot of getting the Canadian built ones. GM makes the current ones in the US, Canada, and Mexico. The easiest way to tell where it was built is the VIN. The first character is the country code, 1 is US, 2 is Canada, and 3 is Mexico.
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Mr1spd
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 06:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

get rid of WAL MART...........
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Doz
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've been laughed at for buying american tools, to me it's not a laughing matter. However I do see nafta and the whole WTO thing a horrible joke. Part of the answer lies in changing the minds of a "throw away" society.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

For some fun . . . see if you can find WHERE those "Made in USA" . . "Union Made" shirts are ACTUALLY made.

Court, Would the answer have been given to me by someone I know a while back?

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/sweatshops /saipan/reuters032800.html
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Milt
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"American made" goods are often made in Mauritius, an American protectorate. While technically (in some sense) "made in America", the reality is quite different.

At the risk of sounind like a commie, pinko, fascist, liberal, latte drinking, volvo driving, athiest, mainstream press reading scumbag:

Want American made? Look for the Union Label.

You won't find those in Levis, Calvins, etc.
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Gohot
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My 1986 Dodge B250 Van.......made in Canada
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It isn't just about buying goods made by American workers.

If Unions were really interested in securing the jobs for their constituents, they would be lobbying for lower corporate taxes.
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Gearhead571
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I work for an industrial supply company and they push imported products over domestic heavily because the profit margin is higher. There is even a pop up when quoting domestic parts that says you can boost your margin by substituting for import. Its all about making money. They don't care how many jobs are lost as long as their bottom line looks good.
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Fahren
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm all for "buy U.S.- made" for a couple of very different reasons, and I think this issue crosses over all party lines, covers the left and the right: green issues as well as national defense: support US industry - keep manufacturing capacity alive and well at home. What do we do after we lose all ability to make things?
How would we be able to outfit the military (a stretch from Peppermint Patties, I know. But cars, trucks, big equipment, those hit closer to home on the defense issue)?
Buy Us = buy local. less shipping, less energy used. It's good for the planet, and good for decreasing dependence on foreign oil.

It's the same issue when I advocate alternative energy production, whether it be off-grid living, wind farms, hydroelectric, solar or nuclear. All this creates jobs and a strong industrial base for us at home, while also helping the planet and decreasing our dependence on foreign oil.

Cool thread. Buy smart; buy American.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its all about making money. They don't care how many jobs are lost as long as their bottom line looks good.


What is a "reasonable" profit?
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Corporations must answer to their shareholders. If companies don't make a profit what do you think happens to your 401k, etc ??? That "magic money" has to come from someplace.
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Cowboy
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buy American dont mean a damn thing till our goverment gets behind american oil and starts a giant drilling program we have the resorces here.We must get rid of every one that dont suport our oil industary.This mess we have in washington now is pure Bull Sxxt
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I second that !!!
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd like to see the Trucking industry start moving to natural gas

Start with the major freeways east and west (I-10, I-40, I-70, I-80 I-90) and North and South (I-95, I-75 I-35... you get the idea)
You would only need to put a fuel station every 400 to 500 miles or so...

Natural Gas, we have a bunch... just ask T Boone Pickens
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>Want American made? Look for the Union Label.


It's not that easy.

A couple years ago I got into it with a union steward. He got me riled up enough that I started looking into the list of 3 names he gave me that he represented as "Union Made".

One of them . . . operating under the name "Union Made" became an easy target and I started doing background work.

I'll save you the long version but the long and short of it was that it was a couple (they admitted they were non-union" . . "but if we ever get big enough we'll join one") that was importing stuff and had a licensing agreement whereby they paid booty to unions for using the term "Union Made" on the labels. I don't recall where the stuff came from but it was crap.

What motivated me was a story on the Discovery Channel about the last cotton t-shirt manufacturer leaving the USA.

If you KNOW of a firm that is MANUFACTURING t-shirts in the USA . . let me know. I will visit their plant and confirm.

For now my thinking is that there are as many American Made shirts as there are televisions.
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

By the way . . you DO know we "imported" unions into the USA from Europe, right?

: )
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd LOVE to convert my cars (or have them come from the factory) as NG.

The conversion kits are ridiculous and only for limited models.

I'd love to run my wife's kid hauler beast on NG.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

American manufactured t-shirts

http://www.unionlabel.com/tshirts.html

http://www.sosfromtexas.com/

(Message edited by Ferris_von_bueller on February 01, 2010)
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd love to run my wife's kid hauler beast on NG

Just think how convenient it would to fill your car at home.
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Poppinsexz
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Someone said their Buell was American made and since Buell went under that would be their last bike.

You better go out and read what is cast into your Buells rims.

I believe it says made in ***** .

A part of your Buell was made here, but you'll notice the 'American motorcycle' stickers are gone from them for the last few years.
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good . . . you are on your way to discovering what I did.

http://www.unionlabel.com/tshirts.html

See . . for example . . .if you can find the factory in which the Union Line shirts are made? Call the nice couple in Minnesota and see what you find out.

Tell them you want to visit the factory and see a shirt made and listen to them squirm.
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

By the way . . . with that . . . I am out of this conversation. We go through this American Made thread twice a year and I've got it memorized. If you find something new . . e-mail me.
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Aptbldr
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Length, duration, of Great Depression was due to nations, like ours, setting up trade barriers.
Didn't let up 'til after WWII.
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Milt
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court,

Try

Rubin Manufacturing Co.
aka Union-Line / Graybear
2241 S Halsted St.
Chicago, IL

voice: 312-738-0222
fax: 312-942-1871

There are lots of distributors for their stuff, or you can fax them your specifications and they'll give you a quote.

Factory at the address above. I didn't inquire about where the cotton came from.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"American made" goods are often made in Mauritius, an American protectorate.

Not according to Wikipedia.
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well . . I just spoke to them and am eager to meet with their NYC rep just to satisfy my curiousity.

If you had the choice of:

Hanes Beefy T @ $20.00

or

American Made T at $30.00


$1,000,000 question . . .which would you buy?
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Length, duration, of Great Depression was due to nations, like ours, setting up trade barriers.

Yes, I know the story. However, what we have now is not fair trade. When American companies are shut out of China isn't that a form of protectionism? Sorry, I havent been buying it for a long time and with the way the economy is it's time we made a stand against unfair trade.
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Unfortunately . . . . a year ago China was buying 50% of our debt . . . now they are backing away from it as the devalued dollar makes their interest income worth less and this year they have only accounted for 4% of it.

China is on the verge of having significant control of US assets.

Be mindful that the entire $787,000,000 "stimulus" was financed through the Chinese.

We no longer sit in the driver's seat in that commercial arrangement.
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Milt
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 on the ad.

Dun and Bradstreet is willing to sell me a report for just $39.

You're right Court. Taking a little look-see would be very illuminating.
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Court
Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just spoke to some folks and have some leads . . . eager to see what I find. . . every time I've chased this in the past, for TEAM ELVES stuff . . . it's been like nailing Jell-O to the wall . . . you can never QUITE find the company.

Just spoke to American Apparel and they have a website with photos of their factory in Downtown L.A.
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