| Author | Message | ||
     Hex |
I saw a bumper sticker last night: Hatred Is learned behavior | ||
| Reepicheep |
Rasmosis... If religion causes separation, then flies cause &^%&... (In other words, maybe good things can be coopted to be bad things by bad people, but it is the people that are the problem) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Hatred is human nature. Watch your children for proof. You don't habe to teach a child to hate or be selfish or untruthful. | ||
| Sifo |
The best thing that could happen to mankind would be for religion to end. Of course the radical Muslims would say something quite similar. They want their theology to reign, you want your theology to reign. Atheism is still nothing but another theology. Maybe you would have us start exterminating the Jews?  (Message edited by sifo on January 24, 2010) | ||
| Hotrats |
LOL, nothing like religion to get things going. ramonis - check out Cao Dai. maybe something you'll like | ||
| Hex |
We are born with vocal chords, but we are taught our language. Just because we are born with the ability to hate does not prove that hatred is not learned behavior. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Hex...I really thought you were an intelligent man. You don't think you are born with every emotion?? Not unlike animals in nature born with certain abilities. Only difference is its' called Human Nature. No, I do not believe it is learned (it is a natural ability) but I do believe it can be enhanced or refined or harnessed for good use in certain situations. | ||
| Hex |
I do believe it can be enhanced or refined or harnessed for good use in certain situations Welcome to the Dark Side young Padawan... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
You can teach a person NOT to hate, but the ability and tendency to hate is not a learned behavior. To further your analogy, your vocal cords are fully functioning from the point the doctor smacks your bottom and you cry. Language is a training of a natural ability. Human emotion, like vocal cords, are present and fully functioning from the point we are conscious and self aware. It is the training we receive through education, faith, relationship, and experience that temper and control that natural ability of emotion. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Hex...I really thought you were an intelligent man. That's out of order! He's entitled to his opinion as much as you are. There's no need to insult the man in such a fashion. Maybe you would have us start exterminating the Jews? That too is bang out of order. Rasmonis' whole post is in favour of religious tolerance. Some of you need to stop cherry-picking peoples words & twisting them to your own agendas. Frankly I find it disgusting from people who espouse freedom so fiercely. And please don't tell me to not look if I don't like the content. I'll look at what I like & comment as I see fit. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Wow Jeremy, I have never seen that kind of twisted logic coming from you...uhh...ever! There has never been an infant endowed with hate, envy or viciousness. These are things that are learned subtly from those around them. Abuse, neglect and hurtfullness teach the very young to cope with the things that hurt. All children learn to lie from there parents and siblings. God gives us perfection and innocence at birth, our environment shapes us to what we become | ||
| Sifo |
Rasmonis' whole post is in favour of religious tolerance. How in the hell do you get religious tolerance from "The best thing that could happen to mankind would be for religion to end"? | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Here's the rest of what he wrote. Seems pretty tolerant & sensible to me. Believe in a god or multiple gods or none at all if you wish, just keep it to yourself. Let your deeds be the true measure of worth. I haven't worked that idea through, I'm sure it is flawed and some will find holes in it's premise, but it makes sense to me. Live and let live; appreciate life (including your own); help those along the way as best you can; be honest, loving and positive. | ||
| Sifo |
just keep it to yourself Sure sounds like tolerance to me.  | ||
| Sifo |
Let me try it this way. I have no problem with people of color, just stay in your own neighborhoods, and don't try to take the jobs I want and don't try to become the boss at work. Is that tolerance? While we're at it let's add no right to vote and sit at the back of the bus! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wow Jeremy, I have never seen that kind of twisted logic coming from you...uhh...ever! There has never been an infant endowed with hate, envy or viciousness. These are things that are learned subtly from those around them. Abuse, neglect and hurtfullness teach the very young to cope with the things that hurt. All children learn to lie from there parents and siblings. God gives us perfection and innocence at birth, our environment shapes us to what we become Please help me to understand the flaw in my logic. Please name someone who was successfully able to be shielded from societal education and experience so as not to have the ability to hate, be envious, greedy, or untruthful. Surely, there was at least one. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Mr Grumpy... wow your name fits you very well!! lol!! (Must be all that wet weather) Sorry ... I guess I should have put a "  " at the end of the sentence. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Gotcha Mike, the smiley would have made the difference. My caffeine level must be low, better get a cup. Sifo, why bring race into this? & who mentioned anything about voting? Rhetorical questions, don't bother answering. | ||
| Sifo |
Grumpy, it's called an analogy. My question wasn't rhetorical. Does that show tolerance? | ||
| Rasmonis |
I believe that currently, one's human existence is shaped by three things: genetics, environmental/external stimulus and choice or personal determination to change one's reality while alive. Unfortunately for some, choices are limited. I am fortunate for many reasons, and appreciate my life. Being fortunate, I take what opportunities I can to help my fellow man and enjoy life. I also know that I can always be more helpful... So: Why is it so important that I know or understand your spiritual beliefs? To understand how you tick? Why do I need to know that? The more popular religions are based on what? I think that at the core, a set of rules derived ultimately from a human being who said a god or spirit spoke to them. That and the promise of an answer to the unanswerable question: "What happens after we die"? How many prophets do you think are right now in (psychiatric) institutions all over the world... Why do I need to worship anything for answers? Why does any god need me to worship it? Because if I don't, I will live in misery or lead an unfulfilled life? Ludicrous. Control and complacency in return for eternal happiness. It is my opinion, that each religious group has it's answers and people worship that which fits them best - and that's all cool! Display your beliefs if you must, and do so proudly for they make sense to you and I respect your right to believe what you want. Just keep your beliefs from infringing upon my rights. Right now that is not the case with the role the major religious institutions play in the world today as I see it. Secrecy, hypocrisy, brainwashing, false promises, separatism and elitism pours out of these institutions under the guise of love for fellow man and/or fear of God. I've seen it, experienced it from every church, ward, or sanctuary my family has visited and invested in. All of them. The effects of organized are all around us, all over the world and throughout history, taking innocents and non believers to their deaths. I would like to see the lives saved versus deaths ratio across human history at the hands of god. People often talk the talk but can’t walk the walk. How can they when they are set up to fail from the beginning thanks to original sin. Oh and the Holy Trinity: 3 in one but there's only one god, and you can only attain salvation from god through the son with the power of the spirit? Does worship of Jesus go against the first commandment if you believe the Bible and new Testament? Not one has it remotely right and I do not claim to have an answer. The premise behind the doctrine many follow is good, but flawed, like painting over a beautiful flower to make it look better - unnecessary, it(life) is already beautiful! No one knows the truth - realize that. Don't despair though, it is quite alright not knowing, we'll get there one day, we'll find the answer as long as we manage to survive one another and the hatred against our own kind. Believe what you want, but thought or literature based on inspiration does not constitute godly intervention or proof of a god's existence to me. For all I know the god the ancients worshiped may have a died long ago.... If I were a god of mankind, I would make things very simple for them to understand, not difficult or requiring interpretation by prophets or priests. I'd have my rules built-in to my creations. Why require worship of my creations if I have always been and always will be? Bottom line for me is: The rules that govern all existence will continue to apply until the end of time regardless of what you or I believe. Our place in the big picture is to live and appreciate that we have the opportunity to exist and experience it, for no one knows what awaits us after death, - if anything at all. I'm o.k. with that, I'm not afraid. I also understand my beliefs are my own, they will change with greater understanding and others will disagree. I'm o.k. with that too as it is part of living and growing. BTW, for those of you formulating opinions, I am not Atheist. I think there is something much greater than all of us, but I don't know what that is or what to call it right now and the answers available today make no sense to me whatsoever. I am at peace and sleep well at night. -RAS | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
RAS, better said than I could ever have, well done. | ||
| Metra6924 |
Well this truly is an interesting group. And an interesting discussion. I once read “religion divides people, faith binds them together”. That seems to have been proven in this thread. Some believe they have found the answers, others are still searching. Who is right? As for me, my beliefs are my own, but it is interesting hearing those of others. Like someone else said, I joined this group for the technical insight, but stayed for the people. Carry on, I’ll sit down and shut up now. | ||
| Metalrabbit |
You don't have to accept Christ (Jesus), but ain't it interesting that time points either forward or back to His time on earth. Not Buddha, Not Mohammed, Not Harry whats his name,,,nah, It's Jesus The Christ. I think that's significant, don't you? | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
Religion- Opiate for the masses. Intelligent Design- Retarded Nonsense. | ||
| Jon |
yeah forget intelligent design. study micro-biology and say that. Answer how life came from a sterile environment, how energy came from a state of no energy and how matter came from no matter. Then tell me about evolution. There is a lot going on in science that is very unfavorable to evolution (humanist religion), but you will not read about it in OMNI. | ||
| Moxnix |
Color: Blacker than a Nigerian at midnight I cut and pasted this from your profile. Classy, X5. Matthew 7:6 Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Unfavorable to evolution is Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Foam, for example. (Message edited by moxnix on January 25, 2010) (Message edited by moxnix on January 25, 2010) | ||
| Theironmaiden22 |
That's a bit racist. I'd go with blacker than the ace of spades. Instead of picking on Nigerians because you can only see them at night when they smile. I believe in a Maker. He put us here, now we have to deal with ourselves. As far as Divine Intervention. Nah. I consider the Bible a fire side story. Something people needed 2000 years ago to keep people in check. To let them know that there is always someone above who has the final judgement. Sure there may have been Prophets, but to me they just thought abroad like Ghandi or MLK. They made their decisions for the good of ALL people. Instead of saying they were born to a virgin or heard God speak to them through a f*cking rock. God made the big bang, he did not make humans. He probably had a hell of a hand in making Earth, cause there are way too many coincidences to have been natural. I mean if you think about it, having an asteroid belt to help block shit that would hit us, having the Moon strike the Earth billions of year ago to set Earths rotation and give it an iron core, being just the right distance to the Sun, I could go on and on but my point is either we are extremely lucky, or there is something that choreographed Earth creation. I remember watching a show about a fossil they found that predates Lucy. They don't know what creature could've "evolved" into it, but it's more human like than Lucy was and predates Lucy. What I'm playing at is that we will never know the truth. We can guess all we want, we can pay professors hundreds of thousands to give "educated" guesses of our creation but the simple fact is that we will never know. I'm still waiting for CERN to find their 'god particle', not to mention I'm completely stoaked about 2012. Who know's what will happen. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Religion- Opiate for the masses. Didn't realize you were Marxist. Good to know. | ||
| Ezblast |
Jesuits nailed the answers to that group of questions down a long time ago. Simple answer - in the end it does not matter, because God is infinite. Surely, who would be presumptuous enough to measure the seconds that are of an infinite being. Man grants his perception of time in the bible through his writing of the scripture in inspiration - not dictation, our faith grants that this is so. Blessed by God's gifts, we know God's infinite mercy, justice, and love. However, though we are but a speck of dust in His eye, still we are acknowledged and loved - the Lord's infinity allows this; And freewill the rest. Thus has been man and the world's history. EZ | ||
| Moxnix |
http://www.pi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/creation.html Did Christ have a sense of humor? |
