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Hootowl
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 09:44 am: | 
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"and for illegal aliens, we will treat then charge their home governments for treatment, taking it out of their foreign aid if need be to eliminate the rewards some nations have for outsourcing their income & costs"
That just might be the best idea I have ever heard.
(left the D off of heard)
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Monzaracer
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 09:52 am: |
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For illegal aliens how about we just load their sick afree loading ass back up and ship them home, or like Michael Savage says, since they dont pay taxes and crap , turn them away from free health care, let them go find private doc and pay CASH! |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 09:57 am: |
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How do illegals that are working and living here avoid paying taxes? |
Drkside79
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:02 am: |
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Monzaracer,
Stop being an ignorant American. Illegals for the most part pay taxes just like everyone else. they get fake SSN get a job pay taxes and SS and medicare. Only difference is they cant file for a refund like you do. Oh and they also work jobs that most of us wouldn't do if you paid us 3 times what they make. So yeah ship them back and watch your expenses skyrocket every time you go out to eat or have landscaping done or do a million other things that these people do. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:02 am: |
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How do illegals that are working and living here avoid paying taxes?
by working cheaper for cash, and the "employer" paying them under the table.
its common in home construction here.
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Drkside79
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:07 am: |
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By that logic we should deport the employer as he's the one breaking the law right? |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:12 am: |
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Oldog is correct I live near a military base. there is hundreds of wet backs working on the base just as oldog described + there is a huge amount of americans walking the street and cant get a job. |
Liquorwhere
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:12 am: |
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How do illegals that are working and living here avoid paying taxes?
By claiming 15 or 16 dependents on their tax forms, so their income tax is basically ZERO, I would assume there is a small contribution to FICA and what not, I would think if you truly want to capture all the economies for taxation, eliminate the income tax and go with sales taxes. Cannot dodge them as easy.
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Orman1649
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:43 am: |
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Step 1 - Deport all illegals
Step 2 - Make every single person on welfare & all the other gov't programs that support people their entire life go do all the "crap jobs that you don't want to do". You're the mother of 8 kids? Thats fine, while you are out scrubbing toilets with a toothbrush, another welfarite will be running a "daycare"
Step 3 - You get 1 "OOPS!" before manditory sterilization, everyone deserves a 2nd chance, right? The American public should not have to support generation after generation of morons. This applies to both men and women.
Step 3 - ????
Step 4 - PROFIT |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 10:58 am: |
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Orman1649 your ignorance is staggering. Step 2 is ???, step 3 is profit. |
Sphere79
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 12:01 pm: |
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The illegals are simply the scapegoats. Who's government is the one giving them the hand-outs? First stop our corrupt (Dems&Repubs) politicians and government (some of whom talk a big talk re: immigration and never deliver), then stop Mexico from encouraging it as well. Then you can blame the people - that's my view on the whole thing. Stop the handouts and you'll lower the incentive for them to come here - but the problem starts with our government and it's policies. What else is new? |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 12:10 pm: |
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You know, I don't see South Americans and Mexicans standing in line to get free health care. I do see them standing around at Home Depot looking for work, and at employment offices looking for work.
It isn't the marginal health care and government cheese that draws people to this country, it's the jobs, and the prospect of a better tomorrow. Always has been. |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 12:22 pm: |
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i think they should go back to chain gangs and work farms for people who don't want to obey the law. but that would be against there civil rights and we can't have that. |
Reindog
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 12:29 pm: |
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You know, I don't see South Americans and Mexicans standing in line to get free health care.
Apparently you haven't visited an emergency room in California.
But we digress. This thread is about the Demo Demolition Derby in Mass. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 02:22 pm: |
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How do illegals that are working and living here avoid paying taxes?
by working cheaper for cash, and the "employer" paying them under the table.
its common in home construction here.
It's common in all forms of manual labor. Ever wonder why so many businesses that are based on manual labor will so often offer a discount for customers that pay cash. They can keep it all off the books and put illegals on that job and pay them cash. The business keeps more money, the illegals make money tax free so keep more money that a better paid legal worker and the government misses out on legitimate taxes. I've seen this process in the real world, so I know it's going on.
By that logic we should deport the employer as he's the one breaking the law right?
No. You can't blame the employer for hiring an illegal until the government can provide a means for the employer to verify that he/she is a legal worker. A SS number doesn't prove legality because an illegal alien can 'legally' get a SS card. I was coached on how to do that when I was in the mortgage industry.
You know, I don't see South Americans and Mexicans standing in line to get free health care.
Apparently you haven't visited an emergency room in California.
Or Chicago, or Arkansas. Again from personal experience. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 03:07 pm: |
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"You know, I don't see South Americans and Mexicans standing in line to get free health care."
I didn't express myself properly. I know they use emergency rooms as their primary care provider, just like all the other uninsured do.
What I mean was, it isn't what is drawing them to this country. The draw is jobs and the freedom to excel through hard work. Working your ass off in South America probably won't get you anywhere, whereas here, it does. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 03:08 pm: |
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Taken in context of my remark about standing out in front of Home Depot and employment services offices looking for work, it should have been apparent, but I guess not. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 03:10 pm: |
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Also, I mean MOST countries in South America, not ones like Argentina, Chile, etc. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 03:29 pm: |
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I'd guess that most illegals who are getting paid cash under the table aren't making much, probably not enough to pay income tax on. On the FICA portion you'd have a point.
But they do pay sales tax, yes?
It is in effect a black market where they are exploited by employers for their cheap labor. Bad for all involved.
I reject the notion that American citizens won't do the work that illegals do. They absolutely will if the wages are reasonable. That's been proved false after various raids on fish and meet packing plants.
I once pumped gas for minimum wage. I'd do it again if needed. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 03:45 pm: |
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not only would they not have to pay tax on such low earnings, they would probably qualify for EIC. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 04:54 pm: |
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There are designated "day labor standing areas" in and around NYC. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 06:08 pm: |
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My ( devils advocate ) proposal was to apply to Canadians, English, Japanese, whatever. If you aren't a citizen, we treat you anyway, and charge your country. ( the assumption is of course, that all countries have such an "enlightened" policy ) If you are here legal or not means nothing in a worker paradise.
You get 1 "OOPS!" before manditory sterilization...
Sorry, that's the Progressive Eugenics idea, very popular until that Adolf guy ruined it back in 1945. ( when it went public ) I'm watching George Bernard Shaw advocate just such a thing on tv right now. He proposed each person should go before a board every 5-7 years to justify their existence...have they contributed more than they have consumed? ( Glenn Beck's documentary on Facsism/Communism/Progressivism. )
I prefer to make my choices based on "does this give more or less freedom?" I chose more freedom.
I'm afraid you'd have to shoot me to get forced sterilization or execution of "undesirable elements" BACK into being in the U.S. You'd have to. I'd give you no choice... and not like Ghandi. ( yes I meant BACK. look it up )
The exploiters of illegals deserve prison, not deportation. Don't hold your breath, evil politicians like cheap exploitable labor and love the potential votes. Yes, I'm thinking of 1 party on the vote thing. ( the exploitable labor is bipartisan )
You'd think a century of mass murder would make this ideology less attractive. I guess the education system is Kaput. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 03:59 pm: |
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Interesting article on the press coverage of the election.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/changing_channels/2 010/01/msnbc-to-massachusetts-drop-dead.html
The white house won't grant interviews to Fox because they're not a "real news network" but MSNBC is? |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 04:08 pm: |
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Oh and they also work jobs that most of us wouldn't do if you paid us 3 times what they make.
Have you ever watched, "Dirty Jobs" ?? I'd say your premise is false.
Someone just told me the other day about a federal government construction job, in D.C., where a whole pack of workers were found to have the same social security number. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 07:49 pm: |
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As usual ( Hootowl's link above ) The only people who seem to give a darn about race are dedicated members of the party of the Klan.
I've often said I'd have much preferred Condi to McCain as a choice in 2008. Too bad she was too smart.
Did a "conservative/republican type" ask if Obama was "black enough"? No.
Did a "conservative/republican type" mock liberal white people with the phrase "Barack the magic Negro"? ( and accurately. Right on the bullseye ) no, that would be a LA times writer, and a Democrat. ( who, just for those Racist Progressives that have to put people in groups, and not deal with individual humans...is also black )
Did the Globe report a secret love affair between G.W. Bush and C. Rice? actually, yes. but they are full of it, Condi has better taste. 
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Monzaracer
| | Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 08:38 pm: |
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so far if you got paid what illegal aliens got and no taxes or any with holding, they do make a lot more than you think. |
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