| Author | Message | ||
     Spatten1 |
Dogs are independent animals and cannot be 100% controlled by people. I liken it to a gun that can fire itself. A gun is safe outside of a person's hand. A dog is independent and active outside of a person's supervision. No 100% guarantees of control. Pit Bulls are specifically bred to have have extraordinary jaw strength and aggression against other dogs. You can point to "good" pit bulls all day. There are plenty of disciplined and loving pit bulls. Unfortunately, most dog owners do suck and do not discipline properly. Any dog can snap and they have very dangerous strength. Why not just buy a breed that is specifically evolved to be gentle and a good companion, and does not have such dangerous jaws? | ||
| Bads1 |
Pit Bulls are specifically bred to have have extraordinary jaw strength and aggression against other dogs. Very inaccurate. They are a type of dog that is more dominant but not bred for those reasons. Males usually don't like other males for instance. They are like that because they are not socialized. My Male won't tolerate other Male dogs. Both are not socialized with other dog's so they don't like other animal's. And as far as jaw strength there are bigger breeds with more pounds per square inch in biting power. | ||
| Boney95 |
I understand the guy getting pissed with my dog running up towards the kennel, but his dogs will start freaking out when they see anybody "walking on the sidewalk". There's no excuse on letting two pit bulls loose on another person or dog, unless the guy is defending his property or life, PERIOD! Two vicious pits are just as deadly as a gun, and you can't just whip out your pistol anytime you see fit. Everybody in the neighborhood knows about these dogs. Doughnut, this happened on the 3400 block of N. 56th ST. Its a decent neighborhood, mainly African American, with a Jewish presence, and a splash a white people, so its not the hood. This same guy is one of those A-Holes that never shovels his sidewalk, I guess I'll have to call the city on him for it. | ||
| Dentguy |
its in the pits nature to destroy any other animal competitor to thier domain. plain and simple. Exactly why I don't care for them. | ||
| Bads1 |
Dentguy, Then that pretty much narrows down almost half of all breeds. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Doesn't really matter that the dogs were pit bulls does it? I mean... it could have been any large (mistreated) dog in that dudes yard. What he did was release an animal with intent to do harm. I would be equally worried for my dogs life from any large (mistreated) dog. But ...it is a fact that pits have huge jaw strength so... when that aggressive pit comes rushing towards you,... will you be "politically correct" and wait to see if it bites you? (he may just want to lick you) or be a "Dog Profiler" and assume the worst is about to happen?? | ||
| Bads1 |
Exactly, there isn't a gog on earth that can't do some serious damage if the said dog is in the frame of mind to do so. I've seen nothing more then a loud noise repell a dog.... like a aerosol type blow horn used in a boat for instance. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Then that pretty much narrows down almost half of all breeds. Get rid of that half. | ||
| Bads1 |
So no mastiffs,Boxers,dobermans,german shepards, standard poodles,etc etc. Get real. Its not the dogs breed its the owners. Either no experience or knowledge of what they have or complete neglect. That sums it all up. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
its in any male dog's nature to destroy any other animal competitor to their domain. plain and simple. Fixed it for you. Educate yourself or remain silent please. A pit's jaws are no different than any other breed. The main difference is found in the upper torso and neck muscles. All dogs and other animals like them use their mouth as a source of self defense and/or aggression. The fact that a pit has a very muscular neck results in a lot of damage being done when they bite down and shake. I use the term pit loosely, because half the people in this discussion can't tell the difference between Bull Terriers, APBTs, and AMSTAFFs. | ||
| Doughnut |
+1 the air horn! Good call! Sorry Bone, not my district, will give you any advice you want though. I have had more trouble with the loving family dogs (I am not a fan of Goldens!) then the loose pits. | ||
| Bads1 |
Its funny though on how people first talk about how powerful the bite is. Many dogs have that force also. | ||
| Jwblue |
Marjorie Knoller was sentenced to 15 years in prison because her Presa-Canario/mastiff mixes mauled to death her neighbor, Diane Whipple. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Whipple http://www.mahalo.com/marjorie-knoller Majorie Knoller's husband also spent time in prison for owning the dogs. Knoller and her husband were both laywers. | ||
| Eboos |
That's fine and all, but I would want to make sure that whatever I used will absolutely work. I would hate to have to beat a dog off me with a horn. | ||
| Bads1 |
That's fine and all, but I would want to make sure that whatever I used will absolutely work. I would hate to have to beat a dog off me with a horn. Like I said.... I've seen. And as far as what will work for you??? Like Adam,I'm also here in Wisconsin. Concealed weapons are not legal. You either need to carry a stick... bat or face the po po. | ||
| Spatten1 |
So no mastiffs,Boxers,dobermans,german shepards, standard poodles,etc etc. Get real. Its not the dogs breed its the owners. Either no experience or knowledge of what they have or complete neglect. That sums it all up. If statistics, real serious well researched statistics, prove that those breeds are responsible for an extraordinarily high rate of attacks on innocent children and other dogs....Yes, get rid of them. Kill them. Make them illegal. Whatever it takes. If my labradoodle, unprovoked, attacks a kid or an innocent dog, I'll put a bullet in that thing in the back yard. To me they are companions, but still dogs, not people. You are right the owners are generally the problem. But bad owners keep on buying dogs every day. There are so many jerks that gravitate to aggressive breeds, and feed the agression. I know great pits and pit mixes, but I have also seen some bad things from adopted pit mix shelter dogs that are not disciplined by the owners. Out of control agression and no respect for humans. Sucks, but the idiots have huge numbers. Again, I say a gun will not shoot someone by itself, but a poorly raised dog is an independent creature that can attack on its own. | ||
| U4euh |
its in any male dog's nature to destroy any other animal competitor to their domain. plain and simple. Fixed it for you. Educate yourself or remain silent please. Show me proof that it is only in a male dogs nature to destroy any animal competitor. While I agree it is in any male dogs nature, it is not only confined to MALES. I was simply speaking of the tennacity at which the "PIT" breed goes forth with protecting the territory, they do it without fear of anything. The "PIT" breed is also the most loving and family loyal canine I have ever owned. I use to be Doberman only until I was graced with my first Stafford. If your offering education please PM me off line! I agree 100%%% that the fella let the dogs out for an aggressive purpose, had I had a weapon on me and been in the same position, who knows. My main point was not to let your own dog pay the price. Spatten +1 (Message edited by u4euh on December 30, 2009) | ||
| Doughnut |
but a poorly raised dog is an independent creature that can attack on its own. Not to get into the argument, but I agree with this, not that the "pit" breed being the problem. | ||
| Joshinga |
Ok as a former Pit owner ( gave him to a friend when he got to big for my apt) I did ALOT of research before I let my wife bring the dog into the house. And what I found was some very neat stuff. for one the most common dogs to bite people are not pit's. I also found that most of the pit's that do bite are mix breeds not pure blood but bread with whatever street mongrel they could find. Mine loved my kids anybody that came over got greeted by a mean nasty tounge attack. Pits seem to be the only dog that people want to talk about biteing people. all the other dogs that bite you never hear about. I was told by a lady at the aspca that a purebread pit bull is at the bottom of the list of the most common dogs to bite..  | ||
| Ducxl |
I won't bite a dog.I hear they taste bad. Did get bit mildly once while bicycling a few years back.MY rage kicked in a few moments later.I kicked the CRAP out of the dog while it's owner TRIED to leash it away from me. Dog vs. human....dog FAILS! I salivate at the chance to MAUL dog. | ||
| Bishopjb1124 |
The same thing happens with people! If they are brought up wrong they are most of the time useless and dangerous to society. The vast majority of the time you do not see a child that comes from a loving home go out and go ape-shit and cause death and violence. The same thing applies with dogs, I have a Rotty and he is a big baby if he knows you or sees that me or my wife is ok with you, I bought him as a guard dog for the wife while I was on deployments. But if you infringe he will take care of business. So take it out on the •••••••• owners not on the breeds. Lets look at it this way: So according to prison statistics of incarcerated males by race we should ban certain races? Okay lets look at it this way and say males incarcerated for a violent crime by race. There are still particular races that jump ahead by leaps and bounds, the sad part is that these same individuals are also the ones that use Pits and Rottys for a status symbol. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
My people bite back. I bite my dogs on a regular basis. Reminds them who's in charge. My uncle bit a dog's ear off once. It never bit a human again. | ||
| Prof_stack |
How the dog is raised and trained makes all the difference. Here is Karla, about 13 months old and 96 pounds. She gets bi-weekly play time in the off-leash areas to socialize and run her legs off (rotties are not quick dogs). She goes up to people on walks to be admired by them. Some people cross the street when they see us coming. Bad reputation produced by bad owners.  Protecting the owners and property comes naturally to dogs. Feed them and love them. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Bad reputation produced by bad owners. Same can be said of sport bikes. | ||
| Firebolt32 |
This is solely a case of pure ignorance. Animal should go to that guy's house and put him down...not his dogs. I have a Pit name Tipsy, aka Lil Girl and she is a sweet heart. She plays with my buddies two year old like she's a pup again. It pisses me off beyond comprehesion when dumb ass ignorant people use their dogs as weapons, regardless of breed. | ||
| Dentguy |
"for one the most common dogs to bite people are not pit's." Do you remember what breed is the most common to bite? Did you do any research on which breed(s) has caused the most fatalities? No doubt most owners are responsible for how their dogs act, but the fact is that some breeds are involved in more fatalities than others. Is that all the owners fault or are some breeds more likely to attack? I don't know. I know I wouldn't take that chance by having one of the breeds that are involved in many of the fatalities around my family. I know someone that had a Pit Bull for 5 years without a single issue. One day the dog just turned on him and he wound up with a face full of stitches. The dog never had a chance to do that again. One of my neighbors had one. He got out and ran down the street into another yard and attacked a dog for no apparent reason. He said his dog "was so sweet and wouldn't attack anything". Maybe he was until he just decided not to be. If some of you have Pit Bulls that you are happy with, that's great. As I said before, I personally just don't care for them along with some other breeds. http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm#homicid es Go to the canine homicide section. Very sad. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
"the fact is that some breeds are involved in more fatalities than others" I'd be interested to know what those breeds are, and how responsible their owners were with training, discipline, and keeping the dogs within a confined non-public area. | ||
| Boltrider |
Back in the day when Pit fighting was still legal, any Pit that showed aggression towards its trainer was killed on the spot. It was done to keep the gene pool clear of any "bad seeds." The Pits that remained were extremely aggressive towards any animal, small animals in particular, but were selectively bred to not attack humans. In fact, it has been said that a good Pitbull makes for a poor guard dog because it won't attack. It sounds to me like the two Pits that were let loose have some good genes in them. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of the owner. | ||
| Boltrider |
I should clarify my above statement. What I meant is the two dogs that this sorry neighbor let loose are good Pits in the sense that they did what they were bred to do, yet they pulled back when the OP (a human) stepped in. I don't like it at all when a couple of Pits go after a Lab, or any dog for that matter. The problem is that it is in a Pitbull's DNA to do just that. I would have been really pissed myself if I was in that situation. Glad to hear there was no bloodshed. (Message edited by boltrider on December 30, 2009) | ||
| Joshinga |
Dentguy heres the info if it make you feel all warm and fuzzy. But by reading your post's it seems that no mater what I or anybody says you will hate pitbull's what ever you are entitled to your opinion just don't try to force it on anybody else. also keep in mind there is a lot of bites that go unreported because they don't do as much damage. the bigger dogs like pit's boxer's roty's don't bite anymore they just tend to do more damage, but does that really make them more aggressive? ok heres the report. All dogs have the propensity to bite; it is in their nature. Some breeds, however, seem to have a tendency to nip and bite more than others. My list of the top ten biting breeds will surprise you; not containing the breeds commonly thought of to be the most aggressive. In July 2008, the journal of Applied Animal Behaviour Science published a study done by researches at the University of Pennsylvania. They surveyed and discussed with over 6,000 dog owners their experiences with aggression in their dogs. The researchers compiled a report containing 33 dog breeds most likely to bite. Here are the dog breeds with the greatest percentage of bites and bite attempts on humans. Dachshund. Yes, the sausage dog is most likely to bite strangers and its owners. Chihuahua. These are big dogs in a little package, and none are afraid to tell you so. Chihuahuas are very likely to bite strangers and owners. Jack Russell Terrier. These feisty little dogs are also quick to nip. They have a tendency to try to nip at strangers and family members. Australian Cattle Dog. This breed is great to have around the home, but you must be careful; they are herding dogs, which means they are very likely to nip family and strangers. American Cocker Spaniel. A common breed in many homes in the United States, this dog does have tendencies to nip and bite at owners. Beagle. Another family favorite, beagles seem to nip and bite at their families. There are other breeds, like the Akita and Pit Bull Terrier, which are more prone to trying to nip or bite other dogs or animals. It must always be kept in mind that small dogs often go un-reprimanded for biting. Many owners find it cute. It is also the only way a small dog has to get people to back up. Remember, you are a giant to him! There are many breeds of dogs, like Rottweilers, Doberman Pinschers, and Mastiffs, who often get a bad reputation for biting. These dogs have been bred to be protective dogs, plus their size makes them do serious damage when they do bite. Because of this, more stigma is put on the breed. |
