| Author | Message | ||
     Methed |
I like .223 for its versatility, accuracy, size, and abundance, and think with a good scope this would be a great all-around setup for everything from varmints to deer to defense. Anyone here ever own or even shoot one? Also, despite its size, is there any possibility this could qualify as a CCW? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Considering it has a barrel length under16 inches, I'm surprised it's not a Class III weapon. A bit large for CCW, isn't it? Unless you plan on wearing a large coat. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Oh, I have a Bushmaster M-4 Carbine with a 16 inch barrel and removable carry handle I'll sell you for $800  | ||
| Aesquire |
It has to be a CCW in New York because it is a pistol. ( Not a class III, as it is not a cut down rifle, but designed as a pistol from the beginning. ) Open carry here is only for LE & Hunting, I think. Haven't tried one, but their smaller pistols are good, after a break in period. The company is honest, you need to have 200 rounds with carry ammo though it without malfunction before you can trust it. They probably will wear out before a Bushmaster if you are going to shoot, say, ISPC competition, with thousands of rounds through it. I'm waiting to try their RFB. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Ah, ok. Still rather large to carry concealed at 18.5 inches long, don't you think ? You do have other choices in New York, right ? (Message edited by Ferris_von_bueller on December 27, 2009) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Not a class III, as it is not a cut down rifle, but designed as a pistol from the beginning. It's all quite confusing. I know my local gun dealer has a shotgun ( forget the make) that is a factory shortened model made specifically for the FBI, that is Class III. Also, my Benelli M4 is cash and carry but a SPAS-12 requires the waiting period, etc, etc. | ||
| Jasonnennig |
 Stop F@CK'N around, get a real home defense weapon.... I KNOW you want one Ferris... | ||
| Mr1spd |
Buy the Kel-Tec PMR30 Plenty of ammo and small. | ||
| Ourdee |
When I got my SPAS-12 in Indy, it was like buying any other 12. I used to carry an M-11 9mm under my jacket with 3 spare 30 round mags. One day the police stopped the group I was with and searched everyone but me. I was the only one armed with more than a knife. They didn't look at me twice. .45ACP is probably the best all round for personal defense. | ||
| Theironmaiden22 |
Is it manly to own assault rifles? Wtf? I know we have a right to bear arms, but c'mon, we're not on a battlefield and it's not like we live in Chechnya. | ||
| Ourdee |
Yet. | ||
| Aesquire |
You can't own an assault rifle without a background check and a federal license. In many states even that is not enough, they are banned. New York for example, they are banned. As are Full size machine guns and submachine guns. An Assault rifle is a selective fire rifle that can fire full & semi automatic. ( also a smaller than full size cartridge, but that's compared to a 30-06 ) Full auto is like a machine gun, 1 press of the trigger, multiple shots ( 2-many ). Semi auto is 1 shot per trigger pull. Full auto weapons have been controlled since the roaring 20's. Both types are about a century old. Don't worry about it, just know that only police & licensed folk can own one, and whatever the anti-gun nuts CALL an assault weapon, isn't. A short barreled shotgun or rifle is a controlled weapon. Same with other unusual items. The Kel-tec pistols are built as such from scratch, and require whatever pistol license & paperwork are needed in your state. In New York one would go on your permit. And, hell yea, it's manly to own any freaking gun you may legally own. If you are a responsible citizen, want an assault rifle, & you've fulfilled the legal requirements to do so, have fun. If you don't want to, don't. Mostly people who say that kind of thing, Theironmaiden22, are repeating a pernicious anti-American propaganda, masquerading as legit concern. You know better now, thank you. I probably couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with that PLR 16, but the earlier AR based ones I have shot were fun. Useless, ( for me ) but a hoot as I missed over & over. | ||
| Theironmaiden22 |
Anti-American my ass. I'm simply stating I see no use in any weapon designed for the battlefield at home. Sure they look good on the wall, hellish conversation pieces, etc... I'd just as soon show testosterone riding steel and fire than shooting steel and fire. To each their own. | ||
| Aesquire |
Exactly, but you're good with aluminum & fire right? ( Xb's are cool, right? ) Each his own. Since pretty much everything has been on the battlefield, I don't get your point. Service rifles have been for more than a century the choice for civilian competition in target shooting. There are a variety of reasons for that, from availability & price of ammo, commonality of class, ( so you don't have 600's racing 1000's ) training for the services, to just plain expense. Surplus Garands are cheaper & may even be more reliable than custom bolt action target rifles. Now you know, don't worry, I won't invite you to the range, But I will ride with you. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hey, I got no use for hunting rifles that can take Elephant, either. I'm never going to hunt one. Shooting such a rifle IS a hoot, though. Big fire & copper alloy thing. Very manly. Or Womanly if you're a girl. I love to teach ladies to shoot. They are usually better than I am after a lesson or 2. ( I'm not that good at it ) (Message edited by aesquire on December 27, 2009) | ||
| P_squared |
To the original question(s) asked about this particular firearm: I wouldn't try shooting deer with it. IMO, the 5.56/.223 is a MARGINAL caliber at best for semi-large/large North American game. It can be done, and it can get the job done, but it wouldn't be my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice for that job. As for carrying it CCW, I would find this impractical for everyday carry. Sure, you could throw it on a tactical sling under your trench coat, but your options for concealing it while trying to remain nondescript aren't very plentiful. As for shooting it, I haven't had a chance to shoot this model yet. Some folks knock on Kel-Tec because they are built to a price point (I call these folks "Gun Snobs" btw). My experience with Kel-Tec products is that they go BANG everytime you squeeze the trigger. This 1 looks like it would be fun to shoot. I just can't personally come up with a reason for buying 1. Just my opinion & YMMV. | ||
| Mudinmyvaynes |
HAHA I'd love to compete with a Garand against my Ruger No.1... | ||
| Mudinmyvaynes |
PLR 16s are a blast though. If you can get anyone to lock the breech you can have twice the fun. Super easy to clean too. And they aren't uberly expensivo. | ||
| Milt |
I'm happy that youngsters know the joy of bang-site cannons. | ||
| Swampy |
Story: I have a friend that has one, he took it to the sherrifs department and spent a couple of hours measuring barrels and explaining why it should be registered as a pistol. His rational was he wanted to carry it concealed and only firearms licensed as a pistol can be carried concealed. He got his way and carrys it concealed now. Opinions? I like Kel-Tec, why carry something that costs $500+ only to carry in your pocket that nobody ever sees? | ||
| Mudinmyvaynes |
I carry a 5-7 on the motorcycle. In the car I prefer my .50 DE. No gang banger f*cks with a .50. | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
I can't CCW in WI, so I just strap this on my back. j/k, but I guess I am manly!  | ||
| Ourdee |
I hope I never have to show anybody what I carry. | ||
| Ourdee |
Sorry, Forgot the smiley face.  | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
I'd just drop my pants.  | ||
| Nm5150 |
I personally don't care for Kel Tek.I was standing next to my sister in law when a .32 her husband used to carry for back up blew apart in her hands.Kel Tek wasn't much help.I had a rifle blow apart on me using cheap .22 ammo because a bullet didn't clear the barrel before the next round went off.After a few days of phone calls Remington sent me a new rifle to my front door! .22 centerfire is legal for deer in Arkansas and I have killed many deer with 20 and 16" barreled,AR style rfles.With good rounds and shot placement I have no problem with 5.56 as a deer round.In fact my son started hunting with a 16" AR.Light,adjustable stock low recoil,and easy to shoot. Cavedug | ||
| Mudinmyvaynes |
Stupid Question: What's that button on the right side of AR-15s back by the stock and up by what would be the iron sights? | ||
| Mudinmyvaynes |
I've never got to fire an AR-15 in person, only on simulators. | ||
| Cecil1 |
bikertrash05 which eotech is that and how do you like it? | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
I use a simple 30-30 for deer. No need for anything that can shoot 2 or 3 miles. Or a .270 single shot pistol if I'm feeling lucky. As for that button, no clue. In video games the shooter always hits it after inserting a new mag but idk what for. |
