| Author | Message | ||
     Jaimec |
GM at least made the ATTEMPT to sell Saab! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091218/ap_on_bi_ge/us _gm_saab | ||
| Froggy |
Dosen't matter, they still FAGed Pontiac.  | ||
| 4cammer |
SAAB used to be such a cool brand. I remember selling them years ago and having old guys come in on the weekends in their very well kept 99's and bragging how many miles they had on them. Even had some fellas with Sonnets. GM had no idea that they bought a cult car company. When they rebadged the Subaru I knew death was not far behind for the brand. | ||
| Spatten1 |
GM could screw up a wet dream. | ||
| Jaimec |
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE5BG06R200912 18?type=marketsNews | ||
| Tpoppa |
I think Pontiac was redundant. There was nothing to sell. | ||
| Xbrad9r |
Tpoppa...the Pontiac G8 is a car that is in no other GM brand in America, that car was a world beater, but GM (like Harley with Buell) appears to be clueless. | ||
| Tpoppa |
Thought they considered rebranding the G8 as a Chevy, but later squashed it. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Redundant ?.... damn it, seems everything I want is only a concept, dream, rolling model that never gets to see the light of production or my garage.   GM killed the RedLine Sky too, I am on the hunt for one of those... if the price is right. | ||
| Froggy |
Very redundant.....   | ||
| Froggy |
Yea, but then $4 a gallon gas, the economy, new fuel economy standards killed the dream. | ||
| Motorico |
What other maker will have a Kappa based car? Pontiac and Saturn are toast. That platform has such promise. | ||
| Tpoppa |
I'm not saying that Pontiac didn't have decent models. That Black T/A is tasty, but isn't just a Camaro with different bodywork? Just like the last T/A. Wasn't Pontiac's main competition Chevy? | ||
| Buellboiler |
I really like those concept cars. The late model Firebird was much better looking than the Camaro. I'm not sure who was the most direct competitor to Pontiac, but the Mustang was and is the main competition to the Camaro and the would-be Firebird. Unfortunately for GM the Mustang generally outsold GM's pony cars by a margin of 3-to-1. It will be interesting to see how the new Mustang-Camaro sales war goes. | ||
| Froggy |
Opel GT, and Daewoo had a variant too. I recall reading that the plant is closed now, so no more
Yep, fugly bodywork at that.
Pontiac's primary customer was Hertz. Pontiac had no real competition, as over the last few decades it was mis-managed, and by time someone was in power long enough to get Pontiac going in a new direction, someone else came in and took over. Similar to Saab. It is a damn shame, I would love to have seen Pontiac continue as a low production performance brand. G8, G8 Pickup and Wagon, Next generation G5 with Turbo and AWD, The next gen G6 with the SAAB 2.8 Turbo and Helix AWD (Ford SHO killer), and then a refreshed Solstice. No wimpy base model versions. Would it of been highly profitable? Nope, but it would of been a nice and returned Pontiac to its roots. | ||
| Jammin_joules |
And they screwed Saturn also | ||
| Buellboiler |
Who is "they"????? Obama and his car czar? As inept as GM management may have been they couldn't hold a candle to the management provided by Obama, a guy who has never run even a small company. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
If you f***tards would stop buying so many foreign cars our domestic auto companies wouldn't have as many problems. They were too big for their shrinking market share. | ||
| Froggy |
They didn't screw Saturn, it had a fantastic lineup in the last 5 years, only reason it died is the same Saab died, because the sale negotiation fell apart. People buying foreign cars was only part of the problem. If more people bought domestic, you are right there wouldn't be as much of an issue. There is no reason to not even consider an domestic brand vehicle when car shopping. The Big 3 have been doing better in quality ratings, while the Japanese have been slipping. GM has best in class fuel economy in just about every category. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If you f***tards would stop buying so many foreign cars our domestic auto companies wouldn't have as many problems. If the domestic manufacturers had built a car that was worth a f*ck and not ugly as shit, we WOULD. Until recently the best Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler had to offer were:    Supply and Demand are blind. If the US manufacturers can't produce cars people want, they DESERVE to cease to exist. Period. | ||
| New12r |
If you f***tards would stop buying so many foreign cars our domestic auto companies wouldn't have as many problems. They were too big for their shrinking market share. Maybe if the Americans could build a few good models instead of 45 •••••• ones I would buy more. Take my civic VS the cavalier I used to have. Cavalier was dead before 100k, civic was sold @ 288k and still going strong. | ||
| Garyz28 |
One of the guys I work with has a 92 Cavalier with 325k on the clock, and the original motor. It's definitely showing its age, but it keeps rolling. He has a 100 mile round trip to work and back every day. | ||
| Froggy |
For every car that does 300k miles, the next one that comes off the line won't make it to 30k. Regardless of brand. I have seen million mile Chevy's, Saab's, Benz, and many other cars, and I have seen brand new Civics that grenade 3rd gear and wreck the rest of the transmission, and Turbo Diesel Chevy 3500 pickups leak oil from the turbo and ruin the motor. Brumbear had a Ford Edge that was a lemon. I know about a dozen other Edge owners that are happy and flawless. These days it is all a crap shoot, there are really no bad cars. Some less than stellar, but nothing horrible. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Bout time big US companies started hiring managers from somewhere else, cos the current crop aren't worth a sh*t! | ||
| Daves |
I guess I have been very lucky then. The only import car I have ever owned was 1974 Mercury Capri (made in Germany) and it was a pretty good car. Other than that all my cars and trucks have been American brands. I have had aprox 20 different ones of all years from 68-2001. None have been a POS. 68 Javelin SST 74 Hornet X 80 Mustang 65 Mustang 74 Capri 80 AMX 80 Jeep CJ5 76 Jeep J20 74 F100 76 Scout 86 Tempo 88 Tempo 88 Turbo Coupe Thunderbird 66 Bronco 86 Cougar 87 Mustang 84 5th Avenue 88 Jeep 92 Dodge D150 99 Expedition 2001 Expedition | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
For every car that does 300k miles, the next one that comes off the line won't make it to 30k. Regardless of brand. I'd say that's exaggerating more than somewhat. I've run Alfa's & FIATs for years now have a Lancia. I've had all sorts of cars some good some bad; It all comes down to how you look after them. Best car I ever owned bar none was an Alfa 164 td, I cried when it went to the scrapper, with over 450,000 km on the clock. | ||
| Bcordb3 |
Hey Daves Merry Christmas to you and family. |
