| Author | Message | ||
     Spatten1 |
I guess the dwindling fan support made a difference. We will be getting exciting racing once again. Maybe a rider will back a bike in to a corner!!!!! Maybe someone other than Rossi and a bunch of 120 pounders can win a race!!!! I don't see any downside here. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Dec/091211a.ht m | ||
| Chadhargis |
YEAH!!! But sadly, no more V5. Max cylinders is 4. | ||
| Jaimec |
Interesting. Notice the maximum bore is limited to 81mm? For reference, the production BMW S1000RR Superbike comes with 83mm bores! | ||
| Spatten1 |
Yeah, that V5 was way cool. The 4 cylinder rule must be to keep expenses lower. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Less bore = lower revving engines. Less need for exotic valve train, less expenses for the factories. Just a guess. | ||
| Diablo1 |
Interesting. Notice the maximum bore is limited to 81mm? For reference, the production BMW S1000RR Superbike comes with 83mm bores! Nope, I don't think so. 80mm is the bore on the BMW.} | ||
| Teeps |
Maybe the Moto Czyz project will be resurrected... | ||
| Jaimec |
My mistake. Wonder where I got that 83mm figure from? | ||
| 4cammer |
"Maybe the Moto Czyz project will be resurrected..." That would be fantastic. But I think they are firmly into the electric racing stuff now. | ||
| Acgwolfe |
i saw that today on Road Racing World's web site, maybe Hayden will be back on top again. | ||
| Svh |
Maybe the riders will quit complaining about the lack of power from the 800's and how slow they are out of corners. Great news though. I understand the reason for 4cyl but wish they could still run v5's. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
 Boring... 1000cc is fine, but limiting to 4-cylinders seems lame. Limiting the bore size to 81mm effectively means everyone will run 4's, an 81mm bore on a twin or a triple would struggle... How about 1000cc's, any number of cylinders, any number of gears, no minimum weight limit (How light can you make a 1000cc twin?)... supercharging or turbocharging ok, but with max displacement reduced to 500cc...  | ||
| Ourdee |
Bring on 4 cylinder 2 smokes. | ||
| Diablo1 |
Great news though. I understand the reason for 4cyl but wish they could still run v5's. The V5 serves only one purpose, to take advantage of the Motogp rules that gave the four and five cylinder bikes the same weight limit. Otherwise, the V5 makes no sense from an engineering design. Honda would like you to believe otherwise. } | ||
| Ducbsa |
an 81mm bore on a twin would struggle... Good use for the 80mm bore 1950 Norton Manx cylinders you've been saving! GP heritage, too. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
We need a gas turbine class. We need a recumbent streamliner class. We need a diesel class. they also need to reintroduce the tiny engine classes like 50cc and 125cc with no further limitations. I want to see how fast a 50cc can be made to go with no limitations on weight or induction! | ||
| Malott442 |
My daytona is 79mm bore at 955cc..... redline is at 11900, i think a triple could be built at less than 81mm and be competitive. I find it unlikely for anyone to invest into that in this market though.. I'm not going to look it up, but I'm pretty sure exceptions will exist for 2 cylinder bores. | ||
| Bigblock |
oooh, a blown turboed 50cc V4... | ||
| Spatten1 |
I don't know how anyone thinks it will be boring. Boring is watching 120 lb guys on rails with no tires sliding, holding the throttle pinned in the middle of a turn. A friggin computer preventing any wheelspin, and the bikes too light to overwhelm the tires at any point on the track. If that were interesting then 250's should be the premier class. I agree about the V5's, that was just because Honda had more money than the lord and the rules allowed a 5 with the same weight as a 4. Shit, Honda made used to make eithher 6 or 10 cylinder 50cc racers to take advantage of the rules. | ||
| Jaimec |
I may be interpreting the rules differently, but it's a MAXIMUM of four cylinders, and I believe the 81mm bore is a limitation for the four cylinder bikes ONLY. Twins and triples would be different. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
I meant boring only from a technology point of view. I believe MotoGP should be the spearhead of motorcycle design and the rules should encourage new ideas, new layouts, new concepts, not limit. I do however understand the need for it to be entertaining and a profitable series, and the need to try and contain costs. (I think I was just born 20 or so years to late!) | ||
| Boltrider |
No 50cc, but there is 125cc in that link. | ||
| Boltrider |
Sporting Regulations - 1.1.1 A series of motorcycle races counting toward the FIM World Championship for riders and constructors (engine for 125cc and MotoGP - frame for Moto2) will be organised. But it's the junior class (Message edited by boltrider on December 12, 2009) | ||
| Ourdee |
Ride along in the worlds fastest 50cc motorcycle streamliner up to 143 MPH. This was their last run, not their record run. The best run was 150 MPH ... | ||
| Macbuell |
I imagine the Jap manufacturers wanted this as it will the engine development on the motoGP bikes should be easily translated to the liter street bikes. It should make for better racing but what would really make for better racing would be to reduce the computer controls ... less traction control and launch control. Last I heard, throttle control was part of being a great racer. Don't take that away from the riders. | ||
| Skntpig |
I know it will never happen but I would like them to outlaw traction control | ||
| Fast1075 |
Back in the day Suzuki had a 50cc GP bike..I was a watercooled 3 cylinder 2 smoke that made around 20hp at 20,000 rpm...it had a 12 or 14 speed gearbox (my memory gets fuzzy).... | ||
| Diablo1 |
I may be interpreting the rules differently, but it's a MAXIMUM of four cylinders, and I believe the 81mm bore is a limitation for the four cylinder bikes ONLY. Twins and triples would be different. So far, the rules don't mention anything but 4 cylinder engines. I doubt you will see anything but 4 cylinder engines. Even if they allowed 2 cylinders of unlimited bore, there's no way they could make competitive power with the same displacement. The idea is to hold down costs, so I don't see manufacturers tooling up new special Motogp motors, but will use existing production-based designs.} | ||
| Spatten1 |
Good point Diablo. 4 in-lines make the best bang for the buck. Cheaper GP bikes on Sunday sell cheaper 4 in-lines on Monday. And lest any of you still think 4 in-lines don't make torque, ride a new 1000cc japanese sportbike. Crazy power starting at 4k and building from there. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Rode a friend's ZX-10r ...it makes suprisingly good midrange power...and when you twist the grip...holy crap...the last time I rode something that quick, it had a wheelie bar and a slick...very impressive for a stock production bike. I must point out however, I have not ridden an 1125 Buell...damn armpit high seat...whats up with that??? |
