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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

About a month ago Svh asked the question "Lately I have been seeing more trailers with what I would call skirting from the jack to the first axle. From experience, either yours or others, how much fuel does that save? If I recall the average semi-truck gets 8mpg."

I'm pretty sure this isn't what you had in mind, but it is related and pretty interesting. I just couldn't find the link when you had asked before.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/05/semi-truck-b oat-tail-improves-fuel-efficiency-7-5/


EDIT: Original post... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/515586.html?1258586807

(Message edited by SIFO on December 16, 2009)
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No way that would go down the road in the U.S. without the air space in it being filled with cargo of some sort!

I like the slide out bumper, wonder if it doubles as a lift gate?
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wonder about the ability to load/unload. It is very much like what Lee Parks describes when discussing aerodynamics on bikes in his Total Control book.

If they can save 5-7% on fuel they would be kind of foolish to refuse to use it just because it's "empty space".
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Latest thing is humpback semis, top of the trailer has a profile like a wing. Supposed to give a few percent fuel saving.
I'm posting on the phone from the truck, stuck in a snow blockage.
I'll try and post a link when (if) I get home.
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Svh
Posted on Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks to me that the pieces fold out of the way to allow dock unloading. Very cool concept. I really wish the trucking industry would become more accepting of these aerodynamic helpers. Maybe there costs out weigh there advantages right now but like the skirts I can't see this costing much money relatively speaking. Thanks for retouching on the subject also. Lately I have been seeing more semi's with wheel discs as hubcaps, that must help some with economy.

Edit: I see in the link that the side skirts can add up to 9% better fuel efficiency. I wonder if that is for the jack to front axle skirts I have been seeing or for a full length skirt like the drawing details.

(Message edited by svh on December 17, 2009)
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That would probably be for full length skirts.

One nice thing about reducing drag, it cuts down on the side blasts when passing ( or being passed ) and should improve safety.

Really, there is no reason you can't fill that space, I even bet you could run the bottom plate parallel with the trailer floor, and use it as a floor extension for loading/unloading, without much aero penalty.

I do bet the add on boattail pictured above is lighter though, and an integrated boat tail would limit volume somewhat. As a retrofit, it's very economical, as are side skirts.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's interesting.

Ever get the feeling that the trucking industry may be a prime candidate for the next surge of technical innovation . . like the personal phone has seen the last 15 years?
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.donbur.co.uk/gb/products/aerodynamic_te ardrop_trailer.shtml

Here's the link to Don-Bur, the design was patented a couple of years ago, apparently about 10% fuel saving.
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Petereid
Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Titanium 5th wheel RV uses a special nose to cut drag and improve fuel economy. On the bigger units I'm not sure it makes a huge difference.

http://www.glendalerv.com/2010/Titanium/Titanium20 10.html
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