| Author | Message | ||
     Iman501 |
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/568/5266/Motorcycle- Article/Harley-Davidson-Recalls-111-569-Motorcycle s.aspx | ||
| Jammin_joules |
Buell is recalling certain 2010 XB12X and XB12XT models. The foot peg mount on the right may have been manufactured to incorrect specifications. This could allow the foot peg to move significantly out of position. Dealers will replace the defective foot peg mount with a new mount. The recall is expected to begin on or before Dec. 14. The potential number of units affected is 23. The NHTSA campaign ID number is 09V465000. | ||
| Court |
Interesting . . .the HD recall, according to the story in the financial press today "Harley skids but survives" could cost upwards of $40,000,000. The Buell recall will cost less than $500 | ||
| Tpoppa |
OK. Quick someone offer $40 mil for Buell. | ||
| Iman501 |
i'll get right on that Tpoppa! | ||
| Jammin_joules |
Court, I did not post that in comparison. By the by, I figure maybe $100 cost to repair touring bikes with bracket, 111k bikes, maybe $12-mln? ~jammer | ||
| Court |
My comment was directed more toward the folks who . . .when the Buell recall was discussed yesterday . . . were making comments like "Buell couldn't even get their last bikes right". If Buell made 3,000 2010 bikes and the total cost is less than the price of one PM wheel . . . not bad. | ||
| Jammin_joules |
...was directed more toward the folks who . . .when the Buell recall was discussed yesterday . . . were making comments like "Buell couldn't even get their last bikes right". People who have never worked in manufacturing, and never designed a product that make such commentary are a dime a dozen. But I also include those who work in gubmint funded production like defense or aerospace where cost plus over runs make being perfect at any cost a water mark that only they can see. ~jammer | ||
| Cyclonedon |
I know how Harley-Davidson could recoup some of that $40 million lost! Sell Buell motorcycle Company! But that would make way too much sense and Harley is lacking on that! | ||
| Gregtonn |
Jammer, "... aerospace where cost plus over runs make being perfect at any cost a water mark that only they can see." Recall of a satellite parked in geosynchronous orbit is usually not an option. Thus the desire for "perfect". The majority of overruns are because the "gubmint" changes it's wish list in the middle of the design/build. G | ||
| Macdiver |
In the great badweb tradition of threadjacking \blueThe majority of overruns are because the "gubmint" changes it's wish list in the middle of the design/build. } All Clients do that. We call it building a working model to figure out what they really want | ||
| Buelltours |
wonder how many of these 100+K owners "forced" back to the dealership will buy some swag while waiting for the service guys... Or maybe invest the tax refund in a nice engine upgrade for the new season? The cost of sales? Bolting on a bracket should not cost 100$ a fag?  | ||
| Gregtonn |
"All Clients do that. We call it building a working model to figure out what they really want" In the satellite business it's called a preflight model. Its used for launch vibration testing, thermal testing in vacuum-cryo chambers etc. Not much cost saving when your "working model" represents up to half of the total build and 90% of the engineering costs. Then some shiny new PHD says, "Cool! If you can do that, let's add some real butt kickin' stuff!" G | ||
| Jammin_joules |
Been there. I touched many of the external cameras on the Space Shuttle showing launch pad as it leaves Florida and then the atmosphere. I don't profess to be a rocket scientist, but I work wth them and we have all stayed in Holiday Inn Express when traveling together. No one has it easy, being in consumer goods has its challenges for cost & quality given resources to expell on it. | ||
| Crackhead |
I think HD will be inventing recalls here shortly to get riders back in the shop to buy more stuff. | ||
| Court |
I've been getting anonymous e-mail, presumably from someone at Harley-Davidson, taking me to task on the $40,000,000 figure. I cut and pasted the "Harley skids but survives" information straight from the financial press articles that come up with the HD shareholder info. I do not know if it's accurate. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I bin anonymous email without looking. If some arse won't even put their name to what they write, why the f*** should I waste my time reading it? | ||
| Court |
Pretty much the way I viewed it . . . I felt compelled to point out that I didn't make up the $40,000,000 amount but several of the things they said made me believe they knew less of some of the facts than I do. I suspect we'll be hearing more. There are some cages begin rattled at Harley-Davidson and the front door still has a big EXIT sign over it. | ||
| Xbimmer |
40 mil divided by 111500 bikes is only $350 per bike. I imagine the parts and distribution, design of those parts, notification to owners of bikes, bringing them all in to repair, paying the techs to repair, and the lost $$$ from time spent to repair instead of time spent servicing other bikes, could easily hit $350 per bike. Of course they could talk the owners into extra services while the tanks are being repaired and recoup some costs I guess. | ||
| Ratbuell |
There's also a program in place, "Worth the Wait". Customers who buy a bagger that needs the recall, but can't take the bike yet because the recall isn't complete, qualify for $250 credit to the dealer (think rebate, I guess). | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The only way Harley is getting me back in the door, is a dirt prepped XR1200 for the current price that they are off shorting the Buells. I figure that is worth about 5k for me  | ||
| Strokizator |
The NHTSA reported that the front fuel tank mounts on its touring bikes may distort as a result of a front-end crash, creating the potential for leaked fuel to ignite after a crash. Speaking as someone who's been there, done that, I think the "potential" for leaked fuel as a result of a front-end crash would be the least of my worries. I think there's a good chance that after a frontal collision you wouldn't end up anywhere near your bike anyway. I doubt that many more than 25% of affected buyers bring their bike in for the recall (even less if the fix includes some ugly bracketry). I know it wouldn't be high on my priority list. | ||
| Court |
Here's the e-mail I got . . .
I, as has been mentioned, pretty much view this this of e-mail, particularly this poorly written, with little credibility. Anyway . . . the $40,000,000 number was not mine. I think, as Reg and I seemed to agree on the other day, that this recall is, at best, 3rd or 4th on the list of current threats to Harley-Davidson. Court | ||
| Brumbear |
Harley will not get me back I will be a dealer for EBR if they open dealerships though | ||
| Iman501 |
well this seemed to stir up some trouble! lol sorry | ||
| F_skinner |
Court, that is an interesting email. Funny how the person insults you then indicates he or she is looking forward to seeing you at Homecoming. Maybe that is the reason behind the anonymous address. Chickenshit in my opinion. I also find it curious that anyone from HD would be concerned about ANYTHING posted on this site or any other Internet forum. They have bigger issues than monitoring the Internet to protect their perceived imagine. My personal opinion, with no facts or insider knowledge, is the lawyers at HD may have too much say in HD's products. I did not see anything that disputed the article in reference. | ||
| Froggy |
Court, if you want to know the sender, you know we got the resources on Badweb to track them down  | ||
| Court |
No need. I've plenty of critics with names. | ||
| Petereid |
I've plenty of critics with names. Court, that just means your having a productive life | ||
| Court |
>>>Court, that just means your having a productive life Precisely the way I interpret it. I've had lots of folks call me an ••••••• . . myself included. I consider the fact that they've done it on Air Force One, in the office of the Commanding General of the United States Marine Corps, on some of the most amazing construction sites in the county, in the company of celebrities, that my Uncle the Astronaut has done it and that some of them sat there as I gave the Commencement Address at Columbia University and some will doubtless be in my classes as I start my new role as "Professor Canfield on 1-20-10, to be sufficient evidence that I am at least doing something right. I'm proud to have gone off half cocked more times than I've sat around like a following waiting to be told what to do. I've met over 4,000 Buell owners since 1988 . . . the fact that some of them consider me an ••••••• is almost a compliment. I'm doing a hell of a lot better in the polls than both Keith Wandell and Barack Obama. I'll also note that anyone who criticizes anonymously pretty much defines their own credibility. I've call folks names here . . I've apologized when I was wrong here and I've done many things in my 23 years of being around Buells. I've always taken responsibility when I was wrong and I've never claimed to have been right all the time. It's the responsible thing to do. Besides . . . at my age the phrase "I could care less" takes on an entirely new meaning. I really don't. |
