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Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 02:52 pm: | 
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Heres the thing I HATE about graduated classes.
You cant our governor wants to make it manditory to have the proper endorsement and test completed BEFORE you can buy the bike.... So if you are on a 250 now and want to go to an 800? Cant go buy one and learn on and get used to. Nobody will rent to you, and the state current education program caps at 250cc.
So how the HELL are you going to legally get to own ride and operate a bigger bike?
Put size limits on bikes... I would like to see them put driving restrictions on trucks by length and size, and RVS. Same thing, cant pass the course with it... You dont get to drive it. |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 03:06 pm: |
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I just dont know enough about the upper end of what a Blast can do to know if its more than I want to let her go with.
I'm still learning that myself. It's a fun little bike. It's enough to keep up, but I'm perfectly happy doing 40-45! I'm sure I drive Carlos crazy sometimes when I'm falling off his pace.
Smilee (our 14 year old daughter) thought she was getting the M2 when she turned 16...not only no, but hell no! Besides that, she'll be limited to riding with her Dad and  "Uncles"! |
Wolfridgerider
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 03:16 pm: |
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I'm sure I drive Carlos crazy sometimes when I'm falling off his pace.
Maybe you should lead a ride every now and then....a friends wife had just learned to ride so we would put her up front and let her go... a few rides later and before we knew, we were running 80 mph.
She would get of the bike with big WOOO HOOO and smile... it was fun, for her to do and us to watch |
Skntpig
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 03:30 pm: |
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I second the newbee in front.
I've seen too many times when I STOP to have someone go screeching by me with the rear brake locked up because their scared of the front. I also saw a friend get plowed into like this.
I'll ride in the back thanks... |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 03:38 pm: |
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quote: screeching by me with the rear brake locked up because their scared of the front.
Exactly what this thread is about.
Sign them up for an MSF course!!
People do not need to be "testing" how to survive ride on a public road! |
Skntpig
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 03:41 pm: |
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I know!!!I do |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 04:15 pm: |
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People do not need to be "testing" how to survive ride on a public road!
Which is why it amazes me that after 2 days of class, maybe 12 hours on a bike in a parking lot they turn you loose to learn the rest on your own. Very scary in my opinion.
I second the newbee in front.
I see your point, but I also know that when I'm following Mark (Webe) or Carlos that they are watching a much larger perimeter than I am. Carlos signals me to make sure I pick up the pace when need be, slow my speed for turns that are tighter than they may appear, turn directionals off if I forget, objects in the road (roadkill, sand, gravel) or incoming vehicles from side roads. He's kept me from entering a turn too hot more than once, I have no doubt.
This allows me to concentrate on my riding. I find that I "stretch" my perimeter each time we ride. It's a learning curve, but it sure is nice having someone with more experience leading the way.
I have a friend who just got her license this past year as well. I was real excited about us riding together. I quickly realized that two newbies riding without an experienced rider was the blind leading the blind and not a good idea. We've yet to ride together. Maybe this summer we will.
I have lead a few times...in fact I lead a ride back from Gixxer Corner in Suches with Carlos and Vern. Once we got back to TWO Vern told me I needed to slow down! He was probably right, but I was having so much fun!
MSF is a great way to start, but riding with experienced riders that are willing to take the time and give you feedback, negative and positive, is instrumental to becoming a good rider in my opinion.
(Message edited by Ulywife on December 15, 2009) |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 04:24 pm: |
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quote:Which is why it amazes me that after 2 days of class, maybe 12 hours on a bike in a parking lot they turn you loose to learn the rest on your own. Very scary in my opinion.
Far less scary than experimenting with live traffic. |
Crackhead
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:03 pm: |
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"Heres the thing I HATE about graduated classes.
You cant our governor wants to make it mandatory to have the proper endorsement and test completed BEFORE you can buy the bike.... So if you are on a 250 now and want to go to an 800? Cant go buy one and learn on and get used to. Nobody will rent to you, and the state current education program caps at 250cc.
So how the HELL are you going to legally get to own ride and operate a bigger bike?"
I agree with you City, but this is an area were the motorcycle manufactures can step up to develop the training instead of the government.
Fore example: Beginner graduated track days with crash avoidance for the sports bike riders with fleets of current bikes. Sort of like a race on Sunday sell on Monday.
........i am not sure what HD would train for....maybe couch potato training? |
Ulyranger
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 06:28 pm: |
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"Try $350. The NYS motorcyclists voted many years ago to add a fee to their registrations to fund motorcycle safety programs. That money has since been reallocated to non-motorcycling programs. Geez, what a surprise, eh??"
...and this is why I am opposed to pretty much any "mandatory" thing right now. No such thing as a "dedicated fund" right now in NY. It's all up for grabs (general fund = slush fund).
I am all for incentives.....Ins discounts....reduced Reg fees....whatever. $$ saved works..... Training and experience is priceless, they should encourage youthful riders to obtain it. With the high cost of the Risk Pool Ins. incentives would definitely work. Especially when you are paying your own way. I know would have loved to have the opportunity to take the training when I started riding and driving, an Ins break would have been awesome. I paid my own way......and it was expensive.....even more now.
I am not behind Gov't mandated size limits either, that's the job/responsibility of parental units (or individual responsibility of adults). Ins Co.s should take an active role too (probably already do.....havn't priced a policy on a Busa as a 16 y.o., can't imagine it's cheap). |
Fltwistygirl
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 11:13 pm: |
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SKN-Here's the scoop of what I know about Florida training...
>>>Does anyone know what type of insurance discount you might get by taking the class in Florida after having a license for many years?
I believe I got 10% off for taking the BRC and an additional 10% discount for taking the next level class-the ERC or Experienced Rider Course. ERC is no longer offered for licensing in FL. That option went away along with the 3rd party testing on 7.1.08 when the BRC became mandatory and the only way to get endorsed. ERC is a one day class, you take it on your own bike. Awesome way to safely find out how your bike behaves during evasive maneuvers such as swerves and quickstops and get coached on other potential hiney saving techniques.
>>>Can you use your own bike?
In an ERC, absolutely, that's the whole point. Some schools may allow you to take a BRC on your own bike if you provide proof of insurance AND the bike is less than MSF's cap of 500cc's for training bikes. But here's a thought on that, if I was just learning a new motor skill, and thought there was a good chance I'd be dropping the bike sometime during the process, or possibly be in the path of travel of some wild-eyed 80 year old scooter lady who wants to learn to ride to save gas$$$, would I want it to be my bike or someone elses? Another reason to not totally love my first bike, IMHO. Good chance it will not be shiney side up the entire time.
>>>Is it a one or two day course? The ERC is a 1 day course. The BRC is either 2, 3 or 4 days. Some Riders Edge programs actually offer their version of the BRC (called a NRC in Harley world) over FIVE days. I've seen prices vary wildly-$199 to over $300 for courses here in Sunny FLA...
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