| Author | Message | ||
     Ratbuell |
OK, just to start off...anyone who's been on the board for a while knows I'm a straight shooter, so this is not BS or a scam. Here's the story. I bought a project car from a friend (Dan). Dan bought the car from the original owner and never titled it in his name. I've never titled it either; it's still on the original title from the late 1980s (it's an '86 Shelby GLHS, and still a project, hence the 'no titling' history). I have someone who wants to buy it from me, and he's in Canada. So, he needs a title in his name because of border stuff. The original title (dated in the '80s) shows a lien. The bank, from what I can find, no longer exists....so its not like I can call them. Again, the title is 20+ years old - the loan is paid, but there's no lien release attached to the title. I can't get in touch with the original owner. It's a NY state title - anyone up there know a runaround? Or does anyone, in ANY state, want to help a guy out and get a clear title printed for me? Maryland (where I am) has NOTHING in place to do something like this. If it was a MD title, and was this old with a lien, I could fill out an affadavit that says "loan is paid" and get a clear title. But, since it's a NY title...I'm screwed. If you can help out, or have any ideas, send me a PM. Thanks  (or, does anyone stateside want a complete '86 GLHS project car? I can refund the guy's deposit if I can't get the title sorted out...lol) | ||
| Doughnut |
pm sent | ||
| Vortec57 |
Go to www.jalopyjournal.com (go to the forum part H.A.M.B.) and search title, you'll get lots of ideas and title services. | ||
| Augustus74 |
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/ It will tell you what to do somewhere on there. I think you need to do a pencil rubbing of the vin and apply for a new title. | ||
| Froggy |
Off the top of my head, I say try and apply for a new title. Not sure whether it would be NY or MD. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I agree with just claiming that title is destroyed or missing and apply for a new one. If you're getting a new one, you may as well do it in MD. If you can't do that, chances are the bank listed as the lein holder was taken over by someone else - bottom line is the paperwork has to be out there somewhere. What's the bank? Where in NY was this guy? | ||
| Ratbuell |
MD won't issue a replacement title unless it was previously titled in MD. I could go through the whole inspection process to prove the vehicle wasn't stolen and what-not...but with it not running and the way the state police run the inspections, that would be a MONSTER pain in the rear. And NY probably won't issue me a "replacement" title since it was never in my name up there either...and if I could get in touch with the original owner, I could ask *him* to get a replacement....but since I'm missing that one vital step.... I'll have to check on the bank name. The guy was upstate somewhere I think...also have to check on that. Our 12 week old puppy was extra-psycho last night so I didn't get much of a chance to do...well, anything constructive. (Message edited by ratbuell on November 30, 2009) | ||
| Mikej |
You're probably going to end up with a bond process. It won't be fast. Anything without a clear and clean title is a parts car. And sometimes you can't even sell a junker to a scrap yard without a clean and clear title. Sometimes it is easier to find a title donor car and migrate 98% of the title-less car parts onto the titled car. The H.A.M.B. folks should have some public and private options for you. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Only problem with a "donor VIN" is this is a limited production, documented car (Shelby Autos built 500 of 'em total). A VIN change, while it would get the car on the road....would ruin its status. I'm not worried about fast, I just need to get it done. I've never had to deal with this before so I'm kinda lost. I'll try one last time to contact the original owner in addition to following whatever links I can find on the NY DMV page.... | ||
| Mikej |
This is all State specific and varies by state and by where the title was last registered. There are also some states that are easier to get titled in but with a consequence that some states won't easily accept an "easy state" title for transfer. I once had to track down two or three previous owners of a motorcycle in Washington state to clear a title. I once had to take a Jeep in to a regional Sherif's department for a full VIN inspection in order to process a bill of sale lost title transfer in California. The uncleared lean may force you to have to post a bond at a percentage rate relative to the market value of the car with the bond remaining in effect for five years before the bond can be cleared from the "new" title. I had a friend who had to do this with a bike title in Washington state. You're dealing with two parallel issues, the lost title and the uncleared lein. California also used to want to assign transfer fees and penalties to each non-processed change of ownership, if I recall correctly, and that didn't include any missed SMOG inspections if any were required. I passed on one car deal once because the fees wound up higher than the car value even if the then current owner paid me money to take the car. I don't envy your situation. AltaVista used to be a good tool to find previous and then more current addresses for people. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Our 12 week old puppy was extra-psycho last night Aren't puppies fun? I have a 4 month old Dalmatian that's quite a handful. You're dealing with two parallel issues, the lost title and the uncleared lein. He has the title, it just shows a lien on it. The 'lost title' was just a method of getting a clear title, but may be more trouble than it's worth. Only problem with a "donor VIN" is this is a limited production, documented car (Shelby Autos built 500 of 'em total). A VIN change, while it would get the car on the road....would ruin its status. Which begs the question - Why wouldn't you title the car, seeing as how no other piece of documentation you have shows YOU as the owner. In this case, the original owner could call the car in stolen and you'd have nothing to say about it. But that's neither here nor there at this point. Get that bank name and you should be able to find out who took them over, or perhaps a lawyer could do that for you - find the paper trail and get this sorted. Having a lien release will be the fastest and easiest way to do this. Did your buddy that you bought it from not get a lien release form with the title? If not, he should have. If so, he should have passed it on to you. |
