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Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 09:43 pm: | 
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I am still waiting for them to finish the type on it. The last copy I had from the Senate Finance Committee is pretty dog eared. It is a mess of collosal proportions.
And why the hell does Michelle O need 22 assistants? Is one of them a protocol hack that encouraged her husband how to bow ? |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 10:07 pm: |
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>>>The current health care reform is a baby step toward reform.
Has ZERO to do with:
And . . . (the Senate Bill) . . leaves 25,000,000 UNINSURED.
Hope and change ain't all . . . witness the dems defecting in large numbers . . all it was cracked up to be. |
Technomad
| | Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 10:28 pm: |
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These "health care" bills are really about control, not health care. Non-profit is a tax status, not a business model. |
M2me
| | Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 11:02 pm: |
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And . . . (the Senate Bill) . . leaves 25,000,000 UNINSURED.
I don't know where you got that number from. I'm guessing from Sen. Bunning of KY. The CBO estimates 17 million would be left uninsured but that does not include 8 million illegals. Neither the House or Senate bills cover illegals. But now the Republicans are insisting that illegal aliens be counted. Why? I thought we weren't supposed to be insuring illegal aliens.
How do you propose the remaining 17 million (or 25 million if you want to cover illegal aliens) get health care insurance coverage? Remember, the Senate bill covers an additional 31 million, not too bad. What if a guy makes $28,000 a year but family coverage is $1,200 a month? How do you propose he pays for it? We're all ears waiting for your simple, no cost solution to the problem.
This reform is the first step. There are probably going to be 10 or 15 steps necessary to truly reform the health care system be we can't take them all at once. Right now most Americans are covered under a policy from a private, for profit health care insurance company. After this bill is passed the majority of Americans will be covered under a policy from a private, for profit health care insurance company. This is not a government take over of health care insurance.
Hope and change ain't all . . . witness the dems defecting in large numbers . . all it was cracked up to be.
The Dems are not defecting in large numbers. Fox News tells you that they are but that's not true. A health care reform bill will be passed and most Democrats will vote Yes. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:11 am: |
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If states can opt out, you are going to see a struggle of states vs federal jurisdiction quabble that aint been around since the Civil War.
If I were Obama , I would distance myself from the Lincoln iconography. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 07:19 am: |
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The future.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/elderly-question-flu-shot -controls-78063362.html
This reform is the first step. ....government take over of health care insurance
There, I fixed it for you....
( if anyone missed it, I took part of his statement & edited to make it say opposite to what he meant. A low, unfair tactic only done for comedy purposes. Even though I think it's true. )
Arguing about the number of people left uninsured is silly. The numbers are fake, since they don't know how many million people are illegals, and what the bill will really be able to afford. It is not in doubt that it will not do what was promised. It will not cover everyone. It will not fix the health care system, it will rip off millions of people, and it will cost far More.
Now, if M2me & I got together to write an actual health insurance reform bill, I bet in about a hour we could make a good bill that covered more people, reduced slightly the profits of insurance companies, and covered everyone who can't afford it with existing programs. What do you think, 10 bullet points, 15 pages after the lawyers rewrite it to be incomprehensible? |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 07:55 am: |
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By the way ALL the numbers are bogus.
The last time the Feds meddled in medicine the actual costs were many time the estimate.
They have a terrible track record of being honest |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 08:32 am: |
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By the way ALL the numbers are bogus.
The last time the Feds meddled in medicine the actual costs were many time the estimate.
They have a terrible track record of being honest
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but that's true of all governments of any stripe anywhere, & has always been so. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 09:03 am: |
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....and forgive me for stating the obvious, that's the point !!! Governments cannot be trusted and therefore, should be limited in their power. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 10:23 am: |
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Someone can correct me but I think Medicare was like 100 X their estimate. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 10:27 am: |
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Try that in private business. Even the guys who scewed up the XR-1200 and delayed it 2 years were on 3.5 times the budget. At least they got fired. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 02:07 pm: |
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Governments cannot be trusted and therefore, should be limited in their power.
That's why you vote isn't it? |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 04:39 am: |
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When they decide which states can opt out, I am packing my cr@p and moving
I bet NV opts out; hell they have legalized gamblin, smokin inside, and prostitution. If anywhere would opt out, it would be them. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 11:07 am: |
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If what I heard is right, states can opt out of the program, but not the taxes. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 03:22 am: |
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I still think that if the hippies can burn draft cards in the 60s/70s that we should be able to burn the health care cards and say no to forced medical conscription.
This is an imposed forced universal medical DRAFT. there is no other way to put it. (It certainly isnt about improving health care delivery, pattens, patient longevity, prescription processes, surgical proceedures, OB/GYN services or cancer treatment, so wtf does it do?) It does get in your pocket...
(I would insert the 'Dont Tread on Me' flag here, but photobucket is down for maint) |
Strokizator
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 01:40 pm: |
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But now the Republicans are insisting that illegal aliens be counted. Why? I thought we weren't supposed to be insuring illegal aliens.
I think I can answer that one. Regardless of what is written in the bill, the courts will not allow illegal aliens to be left uncovered; the precedent being that children of illegal aliens cannot be denied access to the classroom.
Dems know this so are fine with the wording of the bill as it calms their constituent's fears that they'll have to pay for illegals. The dem lawmakers can always go back and blame it on the courts. Rep also know this and thus insist that illegals be counted among the uninsured. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 05:32 pm: |
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Where are they planning on putting all the people the they want to imprision for non payment ?
They would have to pardon all the real criminals to get the space.... |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 06:49 pm: |
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Well worth it to bring on the conditions necessary for the Revolution. 
It's not universal health care until it's universal. This bill will not do that. It must fail. |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 06:54 pm: |
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Where are they planning on putting all the people the they want to imprision for non payment ?
I say put 'em in Gitmo and waterboard 'em. Maybe we can get them to confess to something.} |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 07:17 pm: |
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Change that to put Congress in gitmo.....ditto waterboarding & confessions. You'd find way more cash. |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 02:11 am: |
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid took his GOP-blasting rhetoric to a new level Monday, comparing Republicans who oppose health care reform to lawmakers who clung to the institution of slavery more than a century ago.
The Nevada Democrat, in a sweeping set of accusations on the Senate floor, also compared health care foes to those who opposed women's suffrage and the civil rights movement -- even though it was Sen. Strom Thurmond, then a Democrat, who unsuccessfully tried to filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and it was Republicans who led the charge against slavery.
from: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/07/reid-co mpares-health-care-reform-foes-slavery-supporters/ |
Liquorwhere
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 08:54 am: |
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What if a guy makes $28,000 a year but family coverage is $1,200 a month? How do you propose he pays for it? We're all ears waiting for your simple, no cost solution to the problem.
He needs to find a better job, or not have so many kids and expect society to aid him while steadily pumping them out. Life is about responsibility, and you either have what you can afford or you suffer. You either work smarter and better and make more for yourself and family or...this just in...YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS YOU CANNOT AFFORD!! I am so sick of hearing "it's for the kids...do it for them" when in reality it is for their PARENTS who screwed, someone got knocked up and now EXPECT society to help them raise and care for them. This system is all bullshit. Where do you people come from? Yes you M2ME, you, where do people like you come from? I want to know so I can stay really far away from it. |
Metalrabbit
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 10:57 am: |
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I think we better wake up to the fact that much of whats going on is a diversion to Barry setting up the Alinsky network. Based on Glenn Becks program yesterday most
of the network is in place.
The EPA chiming in with they're future program and the "party crashers" were a diversion to hide an ex-con in the room.
We have become nothing but dumb cattle in all this and the noose is around our necks.
Regulation by these fanatics will soon start to appear and we will be totally powerless for most of 2010. I think one of these regulations will strike deeply right here on this site. The limitations of motorcycle engine displacements and fuel economy is a likely target as well as cars.
It would not be hard for them to regulate that no M/C could be insured (hence, no lic)over a certain displacement. I think 2010 will be a terrible awakening of what these people are really up to,, all with no way to stop them. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 02:56 pm: |
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If they want to legislate motorcycles out because of some g-d nanny state agenda, the it is time to be come a criminal and make the capital steps run red.
If Congress thought we were irrate when the wanted to put a CPS ban minibikes, they aint seen nothing yet.
PS dont let displacement get in the mix, cuz I can cause a hell of a lot of hooliganism on a 125/250/450 than I ever could on the Buell 984 |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 01:32 am: |
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this thing is gonna go back to committee since the distinguished gentleman from Florida is carving out back room exceptions for his constituents.
Let the fun begin again.
I must be getting old, I am actually finding CSpan entertaining. |
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