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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Are there any distilleries currently producing Bourbon that are NOT in Kentucky?
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Right here in the Hudson Valley.

http://tuthilltown.com/
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Johnny. I win : )
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

from Wiki.

Bourbon may be produced anywhere in the United States where it is legal to distill spirits. Currently most brands are produced in Kentucky, where Bourbon has a strong association. Estimates are that 95% of the world's bourbon is distilled and aged in Kentucky.[4] Bourbon has also been made in Colorado, Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Virginia.[5]
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Brumbear
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jack Daniels
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Brumbear
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jack is not Bourbon, it is filtered through charred maple (or something). That act disqualifies it as a Bourbon.

I know what the legal requirements are for calling something a Bourbon, I just didn't know if there were actually any distillers currently making Bourbon outside of Kentucky. I see references on the net to "95% of Bourbons are made in Kentucky", but I couldn't find the other 5%.

So thanks for the link to the NY distillery.
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Brumbear
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hey I am fixin to buy some of that tuthilltown tonight I saw they sell it at the shoprite liqwhores by my house and I jioned there mailing list. Thanks for that 46% by volume is a whallop
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Fast1075
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bourbon has to be at least 51% corn, aged at LEAST 2 years in charred oak barrels...and not contain added coloring...beyond that all bets are off...

and...Gentleman Jack is indeed not bourbon..it is carbon filtered after aging.
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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Virginia Gentleman


the drink of choice at Mr. Jefferson's university
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Brumbear
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well its burbon to me And I do love the Gentleman. I just got a fifth of tullamores dew Irish whiskey from my boys for my birthday so the tutillhill will have to wait a bit but I am gonna get some over the weekend. I really didn't even know that sour mash wasn't burbon and what is rye a whiskey or how is it classified.
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Hex
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't know if all of know, but I'll refresh your memories. You can thank YEASTies for the production of your drinking ethanol. Yeast plus sugar equal ethanol and co2.

I'm planing my fourth batch of homebrew beer/wine, probably an IPA like Racer5 or Pliney the Elder.

First was 5 gal. hard apple 'champaign'. About 10%, very bubbly, very dry, with just the bouquet of apple. Made from apples in my mom's yard. Delicious!

Second was 8 gal. fig wine. 18%, and right now tastes like fig vodka. (needs to age a year.) Mom's tree again.

Third was an malted barley, extract based London Brown Ale. 5%, only took 5 weeks and it's delicious, unique, and we think much better than Newcastle!

Oh yeah, I'm planning a big batch (15gal) of Persimmon/pomegranate wine, as soon as the 8 large flats of persimmons that I picked get mushy (I freeze them as they turn ripe).

Since 1978 we are allowed to produce 200 gal beer and 200 gal wine per household! But no distilled spirits.

Once you get the equiptment, it costs about 1/4 retail or less. Tax free alcohol! It's not a sin if you make it yourself.

I just ordered a temperature controller to regulate 68*f.

I PURCHASED RANCO NOT JOHNSON CONTROLS for protest reasons.

Yeasties don't like it too hot or too cold.

It's a fascinating life.
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Diablo1
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I recommend y'all try Four Roses Single Barrel Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey - 100 proof. My friends and I have done the Kentucky whiskey trail distillery tour and tried 'em all. There are no bad bourbons there, but Four Roses is our favorite. Make sure you get the single barrel 100 proof, and not a blended whiskey.
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Jstfrfun
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hex, I understand your reluctance to use Johnson Controls, but our now famous jackass CEO was not that guy he actually was "the guy" at the automotive switches production facility (windows and cruise control etc.)not the thermostat guy.
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Hex
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry JC, guilt by assholeciation!
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tullamore Dew. It's easy to drink a decanter full on a lazy Sunday afternoon! It's a very pleasing whisky.


Rocket
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4cammer
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Try some George T. Stagg......



Yum.
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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's not a sin if you make it yourself, said Jesus, reaching for the water.
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Brumbear
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its fairly easy to drink it presently
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Loki
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

By act of Congress, Bourbon is our national spirit. In doing this they set the critical standards(law) as to what a true Bourbon is.

Did you know...

-The oak kegs can be used only once in the production of bourbon whiskeys.

-The charring of the kegs was originally an accident.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 07:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It may be our national spirit but Vodka out sell's it 2 to one
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hex,

"Do you believe that everything that grows from God's green Earth should be used to make alcohol?"

"Whenever possible, yes."

Lee Marvin, Paint Your Wagon.
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Brinnutz
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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M2statz
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brumbear

Here is what I call "Bourbon, Rye, Whiskey, Scotch-101" The main differences between them all is the base ingredients. Bourbon is made with corn, Canadian Rye is made from the grain Rye, Irish Whiskey and Scotch Whisky are from barley and hops. The next biggest difference is in the distilling. Bourbon and most Canadian Rye is only distilled once although some Canadian Rye are distilled twice. Scotch whisky(notice the difference in spelling) is always distilled twice. Irish whiskey is always distilled three times. There are however always exceptions to the rule, there is a distillery way out in Nova Scotia I think that makes a really good Scotch outside of Scotland. Now remember that this is just the 101 version and does not touch Single Malts or Blends, aging and double casking, water sources and filters, which would take us into the 201 version.

Just what I have learned over the years. I personal favorite(right now) is a 17 year old Single Malt from Highland Park in cask strength.

Michael
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is a little known connection between American Bourbon, and Scotch Whisky: the two quite different national drinks of two English speaking countries separated by a common language:-).

Once a bourbon whiskey barrel has completed its "first life" that is, it has been used to age bourbon, it is ready for its second life as a Scotch whisky aging vessel.

It is broken back down into separate staves and shipped to Scotland. In Scotland, coopers reassemble the staves into casks which will be used to age the whiskey for several years known round the world as Scotch.
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M2statz
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It is illegal to use the same barrel more than once for aging in the U.S. thus the export to other distilling areas.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Reusing the barrels is not illegal, you just can't call it Bourbon if you do.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Speaking of barrels, I used to work at Jim Beam for a little while as a security officer, the Old Grand Dad plant (and sometimes Old Crow but it's used soley as a warehouse and is no longer in use) and if you worked there you could buy used barrels for $12 a piece. This was in '96 so things may have changed but I bought six barrels just because they were stamped on top. I took them to my in-laws house and left them there for a few months and my F-I-L was mowing and had to move them and heard some sloshing. After sitting in the sun so long I guess some had settled or drained out of the oak. He put them up on cinder blocks and got three gallons of straight barrel whiskey out of them. He strained it through cheese cloth and coffee filters and made some mint juleps for the derby. I think he also kept some for is own personal stash.
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Fast1075
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A lot of the used barrels end up in Scotland.
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4cammer
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Best book on Bourbon can be found here, but is out of print and a bit spendy. Yep, I have a copy...

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Bourbon-other-American- Whiskeys/dp/1881527891
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Brumbear
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That was interesting I knew about some of it thank you for the class.Through the years I have found I prefer Irish whiskey to Scotch whiskey and tullamores is the cream of the crop to me. I like Bourbon but I prefer Gentleman Jack Daniels the best. I will however purchase the above mentioned tuthill NY brand as I love anything close to home grown as Gardenier NY is less than 65 miles from me.
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Drkside79
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Knob Creek is good as well
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Iamike
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I always thought that stuff tasted like gasoline to me. Then down at Buelltoberfest my roomate had a bottle of Yukon Jack (yes, I know it's Canadian) and it must have been the mood because that tasted pretty darn good after each day of riding.
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