| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
It just seems like a bad idea to me. KSM ( Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ) and 4 of his minions are going to be taken from Gitmo for trial near the former WTC site. I don't see any upside. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODlkMzE3MDQzZ jQ3OWIxN2FjYWI0Zjk2NDZmYWZkYTc= http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWMwN2UyNzYwN 2M1Y2JkNTdiODk1OWMyYmVmYTA2YmU= | ||
| Court |
>>>It just seems like a bad idea to me. It's absolute stupidity. I am ashamed that both Holder and Obama are products of Columbia. I've disagreed with their "give it to me daddy" politics all along . . I now feel confident saying that they are complete unabashed idiots. Actually, Rudy Guliani already said that . . I'm just repeating it. I do like Rudy's idea . . . let them be acquitted and them tell them they are free to go and drop them off in Rockaway Queens or Staten Island. I like the "eye for an eye" biblical justice and I think we should let the bastards hold hands and jump from the 94th floor like my friends did. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Holder and Obama have no interest in prosecuting KSM,and they are not planning to do so. This so-called prosecution is simply a thinly veiled attack on what Holder and Obama consider to be their real enemies; The United States, and the CIA. In this, they imagine that KSM is their ally, not their enemy. They are planning on using him as a friendly witness, not a defendant. Everyone got it now?  PS: Don't be surprised if ol' Kalid does not share Obama's enthusiasm for Obama. He is still a Jihadist and has his own agenda. Should be an highly amusing trial, if it goes forward as planned. | ||
| Greenlantern |
I did not have a problem with KSM being tried by tribunal in Gitmo nor do I have a problem with him being tried in the epicenter of western civilization. Public opinion is a nations mightiest arsenal and there are few places with as large a store of memories in theirs as New York. I concur that there are risks both real and diplomatically involved, but also see that this is an opportunity for a true face to be put on the American justice system not only for our great nation but the entire world. At heart we Americans believe and hold this system as sacred as any of the other foundations of our government . I would hope the global community through this will see and understand why. Again this is not a condemnation of the tribunal system which is an absolute necessity of a nation at war and I do not agree with the current administrations assessment of this system but I do not see it as the only option in a historical moment of colossal magnitude such as this. My opinion, thank you. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
just imagine for one minute the possibilities of some quasi reigious nutbag decide on his own that he wants to make ksm a martyr in down town new york. bringing this to the states is just asking for trouble no matter what they think is right. i like the idea of dropping him off downtown and telling him he's free to go but make sure you let him know over a loudspeaker just to make sure people hear it. | ||
| 4cammer |
Pure political motivation, that is all it is. Welcome to Chicago/Crook County fellas. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
I saw a "pro-nyc-trial" man being interviewed and he stated... that there were benefits to having the trial in NY/USA. He kept repeating that statement... but I didn't hear what they were. I kept trying to understand until he finally said something like... "It's so the world can see once and for all, the USA has a justice system". I was dumbfounded. And when that same dope being interviewed added comments like "Have you no faith in the American Judicial system"? ....... I could not believe what I was hearing. Then I thought.... "Don't YOU have faith in the Uniform Code of Military Justice"? wtf?? It's almost like it is being done... just for spite. (to spite the former admin) This is an unbefreakinleavable outrage.imo. | ||
| Court |
Frankly . . . I'd like to see him taken to a warehouse in Brooklyn and be tried the way some folks handle people who fail to repay shylocks. Not very nice . . but you can't argue with the results and it's damn sure make someone think twice in the future. I was only a bystander but when I saw "Two Guns" Campinollo wrap the guy in barb wire and kick him down the elevator shaft while all his duct taped buddies watched . . . well, it only took one lesson. Shame he's currently being tried on racketeering charges . . . | ||
| Xb12xmike |
I have an idea: Same deal... with barbed wired except do it from a tall enough bridge and attach him to a bungee cord so we can do it over and over, again...and again...and again.... maybe like 2,976 times? | ||
| Reindog |
The jury as well as the courtroom itself will become a target of Jihadist retribution if KSM is found guilty. Obama will blame it on Bush if that happens. After all, Holder's real intention is to put the CIA and the Bush administration on trial. The only consolation is that this will be more entertaining than the OJ trial if it is televised. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Pure political indeed. Guess where they want to house them state side?.... Illinois. Sounds like some home grown pork and stupidity to me. The should NEVER be subject to the US Justice System, should never be Miranda'd, NEVER be detained domestically. They are terrorists. There court of venue is the Hague as terrorists. Somebody needs to pull their head out of their political a$$ and realize what a lightning rod having them here, on our soil means. I will bet you a case of your favorite beer that Obama has not read the Geneva Convention and the Treaty of LandWarfare. MORON | ||
| Court |
How would you like to be on a jury that convicted an Islamic terrorist? | ||
| Blake |
What with all that our troops are enduring, it's the least I could do. Bring it. I volunteer! I know what you are saying though, not all are eager to put themselves on the hit-list of the islamists nor should they be unwillingly put in that situation. Holder is a terrorist lover going way back. | ||
| Sifo |
KSM wasn't read his maranda rights. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this enough to get the case thrown out of civilian court? Won't the Judge be faces with a choice of following the constitution, or setting free one of the biggest terrorists we have ever faced? I feel terrible for the judge that gets this case. | ||
| Xb9er |
If we have terrorist trials in the US it would give every radical muslim in the US a chance to riot and attack us again. Then I'm going to have to ride my buell up to NYC with my tommy gun strapped beside me to take care of some unfinished business left across the pond. | ||
| Blake |
I'm watching the Senate Hearing with Attorney General Holder. It's streaming live at http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.htm l?chanId=5 His case is falling apart. Idiot. I see a case for conducting the trials in a civilian court, but his primary reasoning is that it provides the best means for securing a conviction. That doesn't seem compelling given the fact that KSM sought to plead guilty in the military tribunal. I hope I didn't miss Senator Lindsey Graham's turn at questioning Atty. Gen. Holder. | ||
| Blake |
It makes scant sense to try illegal combatants, captured abroad, subject to rendition and aggressive interrogation in a civilian court. Cool. Lindsey Graham is up. | ||
| Hex |
I tuned in just in time for recess... | ||
| Blake |
Senator Graham nailed the truth as usual. If there is a sharper more focused legal mind on constitutional law and military justice, I'd be surprised. He exposed with laser clarity and irrefutable logic the horrible misjudgment of Holder's position and how it may jeopardize the security of America and the war effort. You know, that supposed "war of necessity" that our President is now trying, going on for three months now, whether or not to really fight or not. From my perspective, in attempting to deflect the truth of Senator Graham's argument, Holder transformed into a stammering idiot. I don't think he's an idiot. My sense for years has been that Senator Graham is one of the truly honorable representatives of we the people in Washington. Stay tuned for the inevitable miserableness and ad hominem attacks from the leftist lapdogs. I apologize. That is an unfair insult to lapdogs. | ||
| Reindog |
Gross incompetence coupled with the political agenda of the Obama administration is a bad mixture. Can someone explain to me how a conviction is possible in a civilian court where the defendant hasn't been read his Miranda rights? Wouldn't a conviction then be perceived as unequal justice for all? | ||
| Jimidan |
Well, you guys sure settle that issue...wow. | ||
| Hex |
"The number one threat to our children is not obesity, but the illicit use of marijuana." huh? (Message edited by hex on November 18, 2009) | ||
| Blake |
Tom, Supposedly the government's case doesn't rely on any testimony from the accused, thus Miranda rights have no bearing on the case. | ||
| Court |
illicit | ||
| Fast1075 |
The inevitable munchies attack is the cause of obesity  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Intrenched fanatical force that will fight to the death in name of empire and religion. Solution then; Hiroshima - Nagasaki. Solution now; Mecca - Medina. Its what it will take, but we dont have the back bone to do what we did 65 years ago. And put the Black holes back up | ||
| Hootowl |
Blake, Look up Congressman Thadeous McCotter. Sharpest guy in government right now IMO. He's one of the few we should keep. http://mccotter.house.gov/HoR/MI11/Home/ | ||
| Hootowl |
The case will be moved from New York to another venue. KSM can't possibly get a fair trial in New York. According to the sitting President, and thus the government of the US, KSM was tortured at the hands of the CIA. Nothing he has revealed will be admissible. If his lawyers do NOT request a change of venue, his next team will base their appeal of his conviction on the grounds that the previous team was incompetent. His lawyers will probably argue that he can't get a fair trial in US at all, and they'll be right. I'll bet a dollar that KSM gets off on a technicality. | ||
| Oldog |
I would not want to be one of those lawyers that get them off, they could be targets some one is going to pay for lives lost and property destroyed, if they get off I bet the call for impeachment will go up. I cant watch this kind of thing, | ||
| Reepicheep |
What if the lawyers making the decision to try him in the US *are* the ones trying to get him off? Ask our "most open government in history" who, on their staff, was previously associated with defending those terrorists. Then ask what role they played in the decision to try this guy in the US. (And I wouldn't trust the first answer, as the Rahm Emanuel adminstration is yet to give a straight answer to an uncomfortable question). |
