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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not sure what to make of this, if anything at all.........

A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.

A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.

President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.

President Yushchenko said: “People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely inconceivable in the 21st Century.”

In a TV interview, the President added: “Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine – two seasonal flus and the Californian flu

“Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has been touring hospitals where victims are being treated and presidential elections in January could be cancelled .

Four men and one woman have died from the flu in Lviv, said emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych. Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with two others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.

“We have sent the analyses to Kiev. We don’t believe it’s H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is.”

Universities, schools and kindergartens have been closed, public meetings have been banned and theatres shut. Last week several border crossings in the country were also closed.

Last night reports emerged of profiteering over face masks, which have sold out since the outbreak. There are also incidents of anti-virus medication being sold for exorbitant prices. A spokesman for the World Health Organisation said: “We do not have a time scale for the results of the tests in London, although some preliminary results have been obtained. I cannot tell you what they are.

“We did not have enough of the virus samples so we will have to grow some more before we can come to a conclusive decision about its nature.”

Neighbouring Poland has called on the EU to take action, fearing the mystery virus may spread westwards.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk has written to European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and the Swedish Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, who holds the EU presidency, saying: “The character of this threat demands that rapid action be undertaken at the European Union level.”

Russia, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and Romania, countries that border Ukraine, have already launched health checks on Ukrainians entering their territory.

Slovakia has closed two of five border crossings.

A doctor in Western Ukraine who did not want to be named, said:” We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal.

“They look like they have been burned. It’s terrifying.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140492/Million -hit-by-plague-worse-than-swine-flu-
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Roadcouch98
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

............Blame it on Bush
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sweet. Anyone want to start a pool to buy some HD execs a set of first class plane tickets to Ukraine?
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Dbird29
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 11:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buck Fush!
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Drkside79
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blame Bush he deserves it
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 05:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have several friends that are at the University in Odessa; they are getting an early winter break. Unfortunately 45-50 degrees is too cool for bikini pics to share.
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Drhacknstine
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So out of 1 million people your chance of dieing from this is .0002%???? OOooo thats just
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Greenlantern
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is going to end with Zombies.......I just know it.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am ready for Zombies.
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Chellem
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree - 1 million people infected - that's a lot. 189 people infected died? Isn't that statistically a little better than the swine flu?

Although, to be fair, the swine flu numbers appear to be largely based on doctors hearing a sniffling noise through a phone.

I don't mean to belittle the concern, I just, unless I'm missing something? It's terrible that people are dying, and that their lungs are black.

From cancer.org:

"About 1,479,350 new cancer cases are expected to be diagnosed
in 2009...This year, about 562,340 Americans are expected to die of
cancer, more than 1,500 people a day..."

I mean, I know it's not exactly the same thing, but, now those are some lousy odds.

I wish I wasn't so suspicious of every media outlet, up to and, evidently, including U.K. publications.
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Swordsman
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Seriously. If those numbers hold true, this is just another sky-is-falling media cry for attention. I could have sworn we were all going to be dead from SARS and Bird Flu by now.....?

~SM
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 03:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The problem with medical numbers that are agregate projections is that the logic is faulty. Unless you have 1500 new dead bodies every damn day with the diagnosis (which you dont) and their names. then it is a projected study model.

So you have a test study of say 5000 people. Of those in the study (usually based on the Dx they want to study anyways) say 180 die in a year elapsed time. So they take that number, shrink it by 365, and then multibly it by the population as a whole, (not as a population at RISK) and you see how you get flawed numbers.

Go read the studies, get to who is doing the math & paying for the study. you will never believe another medical study that comes across the news again. Its flawed math. Follow the money, it is why the studies are there to begin with.
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Malott442
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 08:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Let the pandemic begin. Earth could use a break.
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Drkside79
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey i played Dead Rising Bring on the Zombies
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Cataract2
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is this for real?
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Chellem
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.undispatch.com/node/9160

Looks like some of the medical mystery might be in the process of being solved.

I wish people would stop watching the news and panicking. I'm speaking of the Ukrainians, not us. Well, some of us I guess.
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Greenlantern
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All I am reading out of all this is atomic powered Super Zombies!!!!
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Ulynut
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Atomic powered super zombies?

in my best Archie Bunker voice

Those are the worst kind!
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What's your Zombie Plan?





(Message edited by SIFO on November 18, 2009)
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Firebolt32
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am ready for Zombies.

Are you? Are you really?

http://zomboid.com/zombie/
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Phatkidwit1eye
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



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Greenlantern
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

80% chance of surviving the zombie apocalypse! I can (may?) live with that!
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