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Steve_mackay
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Doughnut, nope, I got dibs. There are 4 parts on that bike that I was involved in... So it's MINE, all MINE!

In fact, the molds are still sitting here for those parts... <sigh>
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Geforce
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Ditto crackhead... I was just thinking the same thing. We got tons of them here.
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Doughnut
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Fine, I conced the 4 parts, I got dibbs on the rest?

(I believe that machine may have been used in the commission of a crime, I here by comemander said machine in the name of the Law, aka me.)

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Steve_mackay
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Walworth Country is beyond your jurisdiction

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Doughnut
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Class "A" city! State wide baby! BooYaa!
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Doughnut
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Man, who does someone have to strong-arm around here to get access to a unreleased, prototype motorbbike?
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
btw, without my 4 parts, you wont have a seat to sit on, and the bike WILL overheat : )
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Tpoppa
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
>>>Is there any more pics of this thing??

Many.

Can someone please 'leak' a picture of the front end?
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
AND, besides, your pimp jacket will clash with the yellow body work
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Doughnut
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Where there is a me, there is a way.

So. . . is there a time frame that you guys are going to wait untill you share with the rest of us what we have missed out on? Will we ever be allowed to see what could have been?
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I spent a good 6 months designing & machining the tooling, and that is the 1st picture of the bike I had seen.
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Doughnut
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Have you seen my Yellow outfit? Dullorb has a matching one. Remind me to show you sometime.
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Fast1075
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Exotic Sportbike has said machine stashed in a warehouse in Jersey...if yas try to get it...you'll be sleepin wid da fishes.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
>>>In fact, the molds are still sitting here for those parts... <

Keep'em safe. . . and don't loose them.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Seriously, if that bike is ever in jeapordy, we need civil disobedience to protect it. I'll chain myself to a doorway somewhere...
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No_rice
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Seriously, if that bike is ever in jeapordy, we need civil disobedience to protect it. I'll chain myself to a doorway somewhere...

i was more thinking let me take it for a spin and see if they can catch it...!
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Eweaver
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
What does this imply about Harley's ownership of the Helicon?

“The engineering team should be happy with what we have accomplished because none of these innovations are insignificant,” Buell says. “What’s most amazing is that we self-funded this engine without Harley’s help.”

from http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/100702.html}
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Davegess
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Buell owns Helicon. Unfortunately HDI owns Buell. Therefore...
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Rocketman
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Clarify 'owns'?

If Helicon is designed and manufactured by Rotax, funded entirely by Buell to Buells design, then Buell not HD has the contract with Rotax - Buell a separate entity merely owned by HD does not give HD permissions over Buell does it? I mean, other than bankrolling Buell, HD had no involvement in Helicon.

In any case, surely when contracts agreements papers signed monies paid, Rotax would surely be dealing exclusively with Buell and would build in provisions that Buell and not HD had any involvement with the project. In other words, if Buell funded it in the manner it seems to be implied, I can't imagine if Buell owed money to Rotax, that Rotax could go directly to HD and say "PAY THIS BILL".


Rocket
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Methed
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't doubt the likelihood of being wrong or corrected here... ; )

While surely nobody here has all of the specifics entailed in the motor deal that was worked out between Rotax and Buell/HD/HD Holdings/Tu Madre, I would seriously be surprised if Rotax didn't and does not currently have a voice in this. While much if not most of the design lies in the specifications laid out before them by and collaboration with BMC, I would imagine that they will reap much of the fruits of this labor and will seek out Erik should any light harken through the clouds, and then at that point not just with the current lump, but with others beyond the 1125.

I'm still quite curious about a Can-Am 'Cuda by Buell...
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Wasn't part of the $125 million spent to close Buell..........spent to pay off the Rotax contract?
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 05:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Has it been paid yet, and if so what's not to stop a future Buell using that engine building contract if firmly back in the hands of Rotax to put more money in Rotax's purse? Are Rotax gonna say no?

Aside from a 15 month Erik Buell no compete agreement - nothing?


Rocket
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
"Wasn't part of the $125 million spent to close Buell..........spent to pay off the Rotax contract?"
I assume so. In the 10-Q report it states the $125m includes "...approximately $32 million of other costs including payments the Company expects to make to fulfill contractual obligations."

Rocket - Good point, but (playing devil's advocate) could the opposite be true? Could H-D have a contract that prevents Rotax selling *that* engine to anyone else?

Steve - With the work you did for BMC, if you can talk about it, who did you receive purchase order/contract from, BMC or H-D? Who did you invoice and receive payment from?

I ask because I'm curious about the "too integrated" thing, and the Rotax/Helicon contract (though it may have been different to other contracts due to the $$$ involved).

It always got me that Buell had a separate part numbering system too.
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
We are/were a 2nd tier supplier. Not directly billing Buell/HD. We billed the custom molder.
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Thanks Steve : )
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Mndwgz
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
BRP lists the 1125 on their engine site, so I'd think it's safe to assume it's not proprietary. http://www.rotax.com/en/Engine/2004/Motorcycle/Eng ine.Models.htm
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
And do you know how much it kills and enthusiast to keep his mouth shut about something like the B2?

I've know details about it since March/April, when we started to quote tooling. I was working pretty heavily on it during Homecoming. Working 12+ hour days to get a REALLY hairy tool designed. I often teased people at Homecoming with my ipod, which I use to transport the 3D files I'm working on from home and work. "You would *KILL* to see what's on here" : )
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Crackhead
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Steve do you want to go on a backwoods camping trip in Yellowstone? I think the bears are hibernating now?
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Rex
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I hope a lot of this hits the press in a good light! Showing what was on the horizon with Buell and an American Sport Bike. wouldn't it be cool to have all three hayden brothers riding the new Buell in a race, and finishing 1,2, and 3 in the World Superbike Races. Just a dream. Americans on American made bikes. REX

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