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     Sifo |
Aesquire, I was just following turns of the conversation. If Whatever would be kind enough to respond on the AGW thread in Backfire we can get this thread back on topic. Back on topic... This was an act of terrorism. The terrorist was known to have made numerous statements about Muslims rising up against the US. He believed that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars against Islam. Yes, this was the first major act of Islamic terror on US soil since 9-11. For some reason some feel that it is wrong for Fox news to report the facts. That part I just don't understand. | ||
| Whatever |
Nope I am done discussing this with you. Environmental Science is my chosen profession, so if I want to work harder to explain things to laymen I would prefer to be paid for it. Sorry I went so off topic... it is just sometimes people have such strange opinions on here I can't help myself. | ||
| Sifo |
That's lame. Don't post things that you are unwilling to discuss. | ||
| Whatever |
I said I would discuss it for a fee...  I was just egging you guys on because you are so easy to get going. | ||
| Sifo |
OK, Al the debate is over Gore. Back to Islamo-fundamentalist terrorism. | ||
| Sifo |
So does anyone doubt this was Islamo-fundamentalist terrorism at this point? http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091108/D9BRD8GO1 .html Here's a few excerpts...
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| Aesquire |
...because you are so easy to get going. Too true! Nuke the unborn baby whales! Sifo, that's at least different than "he was such a quiet boy". | ||
| Sifo |
...because you are so easy to get going. Sounds like a self admitted internet troll. | ||
| Odie |
I love the word "allegedly". | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Anyhow... I have never seen any of the real people I know that conduct environmental studies harming or killing people because they have a "belief system" or what you would call a religion that suggests they do so... You may not have seen any but they exist. A professor at the University of Texas at Austin believes planet Earth would be better off if Mother Nature simply killed off 90 percent of the human population Pianka is convinced that Nature eventually will exterminate the majority of humans through widespread disease or other effects of global warming—and he seems delighted at the prospect. “This is really an exciting time,” he told the audience at a recent presentation of his “doomsday talk,” which is designed to raise awareness about the dangers of overpopulation and excess demands on the environment. “Every one of you who gets to survive has to bury nine.” http://environment.about.com/b/2006/04/17/reduce-h uman-beings-by-90-percent-to-solve-environmental-w oes-says-scientist.htm} Btw, it took me all of about a minute to find this example. There are plenty more. | ||
| Sifo |
Is anyone other BO not ready to call this terrorism?
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/archiv e/2009/11/07/official-timing-of-hasan-s-gun-purcha se-shows-of-course-he-planned-this.aspx | ||
| Aesquire |
Many folk who go our and buy a pistol gets several magazines. The alleged "law enforcement official" is either a lier or an idiot. Magazines are fragile, wear out, etc. How are you going to fend off hordes of zombies with only 10 or so shots? The article above is a propaganda piece, and not done very well. POS. | ||
| Sifo |
Many folk who go our and buy a pistol gets several magazines. The alleged "law enforcement official" is either a lier or an idiot. Magazines are fragile, wear out, etc. How are you going to fend off hordes of zombies with only 10 or so shots? The article above is a propaganda piece, and not done very well. POS. I might be inclined to agree with you on having multiple magazines if they had not been used in a terrorist attack soon after being purchased. The article stated 20 round magazines. He had fired around 100 rounds. That's at least 5 magazines. They don't usually wear out that fast. We don't know how many magazines he had at his disposal yet. He was stopped by return fire, not by running out of magazines. Meanwhile it just gets worse and worse... Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Fine, you want a war on Islam. Get the Pope to declare one, lets get on with the New Crusades already. I am so sick of people stepping around the issue and avoid labels in an effort not to 'offend' the murderer. wtf. Next they will claim that he was not guilty by reason of insanity, and the voices in his head told him to do it, so surely he cant be held responsible.  | ||
| Xb12xmike |
That _IS_ exactly why Iran is pursuing nukes imo. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Clarify, Mike....why? | ||
| Jwnsc |
Yes, this was the first major act of Islamic terror on US soil since 9-11. Sorry, Beltway Sniper Attacks in October 2002 and earlier killings in Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, California, Arizona, and Texas by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo killed 16 total and critically injured several others. Evidence presented at trial showed an affinity to the cause of the Islamic Jihad. And depending how you define "major": 2002 July 4: 2002 Los Angeles Airport Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, a 41-year-old Egyptian national, kills two Israelis and wounds four others at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport. I don't remember anyone trying to blame Bush for those. Can anyone say with certainty that Hasan would have started shooting if the Army had allowed him to resign his commission or dismissed him as unfit? Until they can, how is he different from all the other disgruntled workers who go "postal" and murder co-workers? Prayers and condolences to the victims in Texas and their loved ones. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Doesn't signify anything other than the pursut of nuclear energy:  Nothing wrong with that right?? http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-03-12-iran -note_N.htm | ||
| Xbrad9r |
this guy (muslim) took out as many people as he could that were getting ready to go fight against his people (muslims)...he didn't go find his superior/s and take them out or just take himself out...he went to the area where people were getting ready to go fight and tried to eliminate all that he could. homeland security = EPIC FAIL the quote for gays in the military was "don't ask don't tell", for muslims it should be "no way in hell" | ||
| Sifo |
Jwnsc, I would agree with you if it had been considered to be terrorism in the past. The reality is that the media would never call those incidents terrorism. Probably too afraid to lend any credence to the Bush policy of going after terrorism where every you find it. Trying to label it terrorism 7 years after the fact is just revisionist history. The DC sniper case was kind of strange too, in that we never knew it was a pair of Muslim terrorists until they were caught. Part of terrorism is to pressure political change. This pair never did that. Even now the left is afraid to admit that Fort Hood is Islamo-terrorism. It's going to be quite hard to fight the facts though. They are just piling up way too fast. But if you insist on revisionist history then please include that Bush was correct that it really was a threat that needed to be fought against. | ||
| Jwnsc |
I guess the DC Sniper case has to be "revisionist" since it inconveniently disrupts the Obama's-not-protecting-us agenda of the right. You'll need to post your concern about revisionist history on the Wiki article on Terrorist Acts on U.S. Soil, since that's where I found the DC Sniper case listed. Personally, I think I'll wait until those two paragons of leftist revisionism, the U.S. Army and FBI, finish their investigation before I start accusing them of a political cover-up. Funny, though, how many real terrorists draw attention themselves before they strike? How many argue often and passionately with "enemy" co-workers about extremist theology so that some are not surprised when they hear what happened? How many post e-mails sympathetic to suicide bombers under their real name and hire lawyers months before they act in order to remove themselves from access to the "the enemy?" Given Hasan's cover and access to U.S. facilities, a real terrorist conspiracy would have found a much more damaging way to use him that didn't involve handguns and leave his "martyrdom" a question of police marksmanship. | ||
| Xbrad9r |
since this guy was a muslim and he killed off several "infedels" there are only two classifications that this act could be labeled as: (1) a terrorist attack (2) a hate crime or you could most adequately describe it as a terrorist hate crime. | ||
| Gaesati |
3. A complete "nutter"? | ||
| Didactic |
The Muslims I know don't consider him Muslim since by the act of killing innocents he went against the faith and broke some of the primary tenants...same as KKK members aren't considered "Christiono-facist" by any Christians I know. This person was disturbed, he dealt with it in a horrible way and those around him unfortunately did not see the warning signs so the deaths could be avoided. Personally I don't blame violence on the religions...it is just the justification for those who are already disposed to violence. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Killing seems to be part of the culture. Look at the dad in Arizona that just killed his daughter for not following the religion- an "honor killing". Great concept of honor and religion. | ||
| Mikej |
Just in case anyone is curious, this appears to be the pistol the shooter used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven Looks to be a decent handgun used by many law enforcement agencies. And before the gun control advocates get rolling again, the shooter was in a classification of people usually exempted from restrictive firearms legislation (ie: "Law Enforcement and Military Personnel"). | ||
| Sifo |
Given Hasan's cover and access to U.S. facilities, a real terrorist conspiracy would have found a much more damaging way to use him that didn't involve handguns and leave his "martyrdom" a question of police marksmanship. So now it has to be a terrorist conspiracy? I'm having trouble keeping up. I think a lone terrorist is enough to have terrorism. | ||
| Xbrad9r |
THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS... The personal Web site for a radical American imam living in Yemen who had contact with two 9/11 hijackers praised Hasan as a hero. The posting Monday on the Web site for Anwar al Awlaki, who was a spiritual leader at two mosques where three 9/11 hijackers worshipped, said American Muslims who condemned the Fort Hood attack are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion. Awlaki said the only way a Muslim can justify serving in the U.S. military is if he intends to "follow in the footsteps of men like Nidal." "Nidal Hassan is a hero," Awlaki said. "He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people." | ||
| Spatten1 |
Yep, not much like the Timothy McVeigh situation is it? Not too many religious leaders praised him. There are nuts like this everywhere. Where were you guys two weeks ago when the two latest plots were foiled by the Feds? The one jackass hit the remote to blow up a skyscraper in Texas. Full of nothing but CIVILIANS. This is not an isolated phenomenon. It is here, Europe, Asia, Pacific Islands, and of course the mid-east. This guy's picture will be held up on posters in celebration in Gaza if it has not already been done. All of these vocal moderate Muslims need to get more vocal and start turning these A-holes in to the authorities. | ||
| Didactic |
so if a nut-bag extremist likes what you do and posts a congrats on the web you are a terrorist...I love guild by association, very fascist. and just remember, those of you seemingly exited by the idea of killing/crusades/etc. that after you stand by while all of "them" are rounded up, nobody will be around to stand with you when you come up next on the list of undesirables. I figure your proficiency with drawing Hitler mustaches suggested a proficiency with knowing history. But maybe you just watch Fox blindly with their disrespect and hate-speech the same as others watch msnbc and their crud too. dont think they do hate-speech? Next time you listen to them, just change the words "Liberal", "Conservative", "Neo-Con", "Leftist" to words like "Blacks" or "Jews" or "Women". America should be a place where we debate and then vote and get the money out of politics completely, not a place where we label others so we can say they are not worth listening too or respecting. I may not agree with %90 of what Court or City says on the political front but I'm not going to call 'em facists that should not have the right to speak...I'm just going to voice my opinion to the contrary and let people decided where they stand. That's democracy, and something I will defend with my life. Bottom line if we are being decent human beings is this man was an American service man who lost his way and became hateful and violent and a danger to society and then perpetrated a heinous act of violence against those who serve to protect our freedoms. Our thoughts and, if appropriate to your belief system, prayers should be with the families and friends of those injured and killed. It's only terrorism if it terrorizes, and I refuse to be terrorized, I refuse to play the "I hate you more" and "I will kill you back" game. I am honestly disappointed there is so much hate and bigotry in the badweb community, that people are so quick to judge and hate. Maybe there are issues with the Muslim faith, but having read the Bible, Torah and Koran there are issues with all three and since all three are mostly the same stories (Jesus is in the Koran you know) all three can and have been used to justify horrid acts. my.02 |
