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Whatever
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 02:54 pm: | 
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This effort has already been started from what I understand... sorry I can't contribute cash myself as I have been unemployed one year this Tuesday...
Here is the link from what has been started...
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/496609.html
I apologize for my negative posts there but eh what can I say...
(Message edited by Whatever on October 31, 2009) |
Tramp
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 02:56 pm: |
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Blake- reread my post- i wasn't alluding to severance, I was alluding to unemployment benefits, which will last far longer.
While your "america supports you" banner is nice, it isn't really the same as making an actual cash contribution, is it?
saying something and doing something are two different things.
And, by the way, If I posted to someone: "p1ss off douchebag", you'd ban me.
That someone posted this toward me for my suggestion that our spare change would be better pent on our wounded service people is a sad state of affairs. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 02:59 pm: |
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Slaughter- well-said.
I wasn't beating anyone up for what they support. Note that I offered suggestions for how to make donations to the buell employees without being dinged income tax on it.
(Message edited by tramp on October 31, 2009) |
Chrisrogers3
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:20 pm: |
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N/M the text that was here.
Sorry Tramp, I guess that I am no wheres near the caliper patriot that you are.
(Message edited by chrisrogers3 on October 31, 2009) |
Tramp
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:43 pm: |
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Chris-
I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism,
I am suggesting that we examine our priorities.
No need for anyone to get all worked up, or to continue to distort the meanings or intentions of others.
I think that, ultimately, giving to a genuinely charitable cause (and laid-off Buell employees constitute just that) is a good and just thing.
I still feel that as Americans, we should first give to our wounded service people. |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:50 pm: |
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Tom nailed it . . . . there is room for all.
I don't think ANYBODY who is stretched should contribute but I damn sure want them to get full credit. Lord help us if we are to be judged based on our ability to give at any certain time. The tides of good fortune rise and fall. I'd make Char's donation.
I ALSO (that's the inclusive also, not an either or) intend, as Erik and I and our families have been doing for over a year, to keep sending care packages to American Service personnel.
Folks will help as they wish. I think anyone who gives $1 should enjoy full parity with someone giving $1,000. It's the group, not individuals, that are lending a hand.
By the way . . . if you want to support Vets write your Congressmen and tell them to stop with the silly diversionary stuff and pay some mind to what's happening to our young men and women while the struggle over health care for illegals. |
Desert_uly
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:57 pm: |
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Tramp - maybe you could go solicit on a 'help a vet" website and maybe some of us would help in that area also, but I thought I was on a Buell related site and some people do care for displaced employees that may be shortly going through difficult times financially. |
Rex
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 05:35 pm: |
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thanks for setting it up. If someone cannot give anything, no problem, if it is only a dollar, that is fine too. I just think it would be a good jesture to send some money during the holidays, if it only buys cranberry sauce for their table. I know I would be worried if I was losing my job so near to the holidays.
I know the badwebbers have helped others on this board, and have even helped do the bonneville salt flats. I think helping our own is as important as raising money to race.
REX |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:21 am: |
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Jay,
RE: "America Supports You" banner on BadWeB:
The point intended was not as you somehow imagine that running the banner is the same as making a donation, but rather that BadWeB has for years advertised the cause for our troops, as you do now as well. Our own Jerry Haughton expended much effort here recently promoting one such worthy cause.
Your lectures here in this thread are rude, condescending, and just plain out of line.
The "douche bag" remark was out of line, a clear violation of our rules here, but it was not unprovoked.
Let the issue die.
I sorely tire of the over-indignation on all fronts.
I want to enjoy life. Dealing with petty bickering miserableness SUCKS! |
Rex
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 04:07 pm: |
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sorry I brought up this thread of giving some bucks to the buell elves. I thought we could set something up and if you wanted to send in a buck, or five, or twenty, anything would help, even if it was just a punch bowl and cupcakes for their last day at the plant. sorry to bring problems to the board. REX |
Rocketsprink
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 04:25 pm: |
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you didn't. it's always a certain @sshole that has to interject his unsolicited banter and unwelcome stupid comments because he thinks he knows everything. Look at his past track record. Nothing new here. It was so much nicer when said full of himself load wasn't here. |
Rex
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 10:58 am: |
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do we have the site set up to donate money? I haven't seen it yet. don't want to miss it and the deadline.rex |
F_skinner
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 11:04 am: |
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Rex, it is a nobel effort. Do not be sorry...
Frank |
Tramp
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 05:26 pm: |
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Taking a second look, I feel badly for coming off like I was pissing on the generous initiative to donate to folks who just got financially blindsided.
rereading my posts, they come off more negative than I'd intended.
Suffice it to say I had some discourse with a seriously wounded brother earlier last week, and it was weighing heavily on my mind.
His life has only worsened since taking really bad helping of frag in '02. Dynamite guy.
The badwebber who started this idea to donate to these unemployed Buell folks has to be pretty dynamite too. Poor bastards just wanted to earn their daily bread, and harley's bean-counters hamstrung them.
Best to you with the effort, you oughta be proud. |
Rocketsprink
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 05:38 pm: |
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ya post the above then send me a threatening PM?
Sorry to hear about your personal friends problems, in all seriousness.
Aren't most charities worth the effort? |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 06:20 pm: |
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Tramp . . . it's no wonder I always enjoy reading your stuff . . . agree or disagree.
Well put and our thoughts and prayers are with your buddy. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 06:20 pm: |
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Tramp . . . it's no wonder I always enjoy reading your stuff . . . agree or disagree.
Well put and our thoughts and prayers are with your buddy. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 06:53 pm: |
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Rocketsprink: yes, god point: all charities are worth the effort, you're correct, as often you are.
In all seriousness, as well, thanks.
Court- thanks. |
Rocketsprink
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 07:26 pm: |
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Tramp, funny part is I agree with you 99% of the time. Just don't agree with the way you present it. But I'm sure most feel the same about me.
I apologize for the name calling. |
Geforce
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 07:53 pm: |
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Tramp, as a Purple Heart recipient myself. I still deal with serious problems from meeting a blast wave in a confined space. One of my Soldiers lost his leg and to this day I feel like it should have been me and not him.
From this side of the house as a combat vet, active duty member of the Army, AND a Buell Enthusiast... I can tell you that your comments are justified and welcomed...BUT...
Look at it this way. Those handful of folks at BMC brought me back to riding motorcycles after my last deployment and a few years off a bike. If it weren't for them I wouldn't have bought a Buell. I wouldn't have been suckered into the family we all know and love. BMC and it's employees are just a big a part of this country as the veterans returning home from overseas... the difference is the mission.
On one hand the armed forces are putting their lives on the line to preserve this nation and our way of life. There is no sacrifice greater in my mind than that.
The other hand, Erik and the elves are/were building something that this country used to stand for and bringing MUCH needed excitement and escape to many of us in uniform. It brings me great pride to ride something made in this country from a group of hard working folks who have shown a lot of support and respect for what those of us in uniform are doing.
I can tell you right now that my enthusiasm for these motorcycles and the friends/family/adventures that these machines have brought to me FAR out-do any amount of physical therapy, medication, nerve blocks, surgery or compensation I could ever receive from the military.
I am proud to say that I served this country and "did my part" to the best of my abilities and I will continue to do so until I cannot physically do so any longer.
I am proud that I am also a part of the excitement that is Buell Motorcycles. I cannot thank them enough for building a part of the American dream for us.
Taking a moment to help out fellow countrymen in anyway, especially ones who have done so much for all of us, does not in any way insult me.
I hope you and others can understand that while there ARE more important priorities to be charitable towards. The mission of BMC to me, is just as important as the mission overseas. Taking care of our wounded is VERY important and all to often overlooked. I found comfort and joy in riding these motorcycles. It has refocused my frustration and I want more than anything for BMC to continue in the future.
I guess if Slinkies would have worked for me I'd be just as excited about them and James Company. You could certainly say that this is all just my own brainwashed opinion. The reality is, a motorcycle for me was a better than any therapy or treatment and that changed my life. I remain optimistic with Buell's future. |
M2me
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 09:55 pm: |
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Sheesh! And some people complain about political threads! I'd prefer political threads way more than this personal crap.
I think Tramp made some good points and people personally crapped all over him. |
M2me
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 09:57 pm: |
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They collectively produced something near and dear to the hearts of most of us, so it's only fitting that we return the favor and help them out if possible.
The Buell employees didn't do me a favor. I paid $8,500 for my 2001 M2. The Buell employees were not doing me a favor by building my M2. They were doing their jobs. I paid money for the product they built. That's just business.
If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't expect the Buell employees to help me out at Christmas because I did them a favor by buying the product they built. I personally don't know any of them. They are not my friends or family.
If anyone wants to contribute to the Buell employee charity fund, by all means do so. But don't try to make the Buell employees out to be something that they are not. I'm not trying to be mean or heartless or anything like that. I feel bad about them losing their jobs. But I'm just being honest. |
Rex
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 03:29 pm: |
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sorry, I must have missed the link to donate money. can you repost the link? thanks REX |
Augustus74
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:37 pm: |
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We should let Geforce's statement be the last word on this issue. Those who don't agree are just muddling up someone else's well meaning effort! |
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