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Liquorwhere
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:34 pm: | 
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Endoman,
I bought my bike from a close friend that is the owner's son in law, and he specifically told me there is $4000.00 for the 1125R and if you SWR the bike by 31 oct 2009 there is an additional $1000.00. So your post is incorrect. I just got off the phone with my other friend and former employer, his father owns his dealership and he confirmed that same thing. You need to check HD net again.
(Message edited by liquorwhere on October 29, 2009) |
Tankhead
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:41 pm: |
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Wow what a ridiculous argument....... I have checked the two local dealers. SOLD OUT OF ULYs. SO now I have looked for whatever wherever I can to find a ULY 09 or 10. I think it would be illogical to purchase a bike from a dealer within a 100 mile radius for list price when I can buy another bike within the same radius for 8999.00 or 8000.00 or whatever if I absolutely know that I will not be doing service with them because I have dealers within 30 miles from me. I asked the one dealer if they are offering the $3000 or $4000 incentive they said yes the other said did not matter they are selling them for list. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. Use your brain. Think logically people. Buy a bike that is worth at least $3000 cheaper driving it off the lot or one that is closer to resale value. Anyway, I just wanted to know what the incentive was for the XB12's. No need to pass judgement on a situation that you knew nothing about. Just add to the thread if you care to answer the question. BTW Harley shouldn't have written all the bad loans...... that is what killed BUELL not from customers who are informed and smart. I love Buell, I can't imagine buying anything else ever. But I also have a mortgage, childcare, taxes, etc, etc. Give me a break.
(Message edited by tankhead on October 29, 2009) |
Endoman33
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:46 pm: |
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Liquorwhere
If what you are saying is correct then it is listen in a GM or Owner/Principal settings that I as sale manager don't have access to  |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:04 pm: |
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Tank,
I've got a Uly. |
Tankhead
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:42 pm: |
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I know. I have been corresponding to you the whole time. check email address. Unfortunately it is just toooo far away. Logically speaking of course...... |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:44 pm: |
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when I purchased my 2006 XB12X in 2006, I asked them what would it cost me to trade in my 1998 M2 Cyclone for the new Uly. They gave me a price and I said I'll take it! No dickering or hassling with the price they quoted me because I felt it was a fair deal for both of us. Besides, the dealer has to make a profit to stay in business and I certainly wanted him to be around if or when I needed something for my Uly.
I've seen this happening for some time where people go out and low-ball a dealer on the price and then go purchase it elsewhere. Then they complain that their local dealer doesn't stock parts, clothing, and only has a small supply of Buells. Isn't it amazing that a dealer (businessman) won't fill their shelves with parts and their showroom floors with new Buell motorcycles to allow the customers to beat them up to low profit margins? In the business it comes down to supply and demand of their products and the profit margins they can sell it for! |
Josh_
| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:19 pm: |
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I bought all my (new) Buells from local dealers. Two of them screwed me after the sale.
I'm loyal to the third tho! |
Rt_performance
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 01:59 am: |
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grand rapids michigan hd had a xp uly and a regular one last i looked around 7k |
Bhillberg
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:59 am: |
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}way too often a Buell buyer will go three states away to save $500 on a bike and then bitch about the lack of parts and sales knowledge back at the local dealership.
I have to say that this is not unique to Buells. I mean seriously if you could save some cash and drive a little while to do it the wouldn't you? The only way I see spending more cash as acceptable is if there is great customer service (like at americansportbike) Sorry, but there has never been a HD dealership that has come close to the way asb has treated me. So in short, yeah... I will go wherever I can to save some cash since I will end up buying most of my parts from Al anyways
I mean really it is not the fact that a Buell buy will shop around, or even drive a distance to get a deal that has killed it, or even had a part in killing it. It is the fact that VERY few people have any allegience to their local dealer. Is that the buyers fault or the fault of the dealer? I for one say it is the fault of the MAJORITY not all of the dealers. Today I was at the local HD dealer, having warranty work done on my 1125 after less than a week of ownership. I asked the parts guy about Uly pegs and a highbar kit as I waited for my bike to be done. I was told to call him back with part numbers since he searched for 30 seconds and couldn't find them. I would travel an hour to save $10 or spend $10 more through mail order just to not let these people get any more of my money. That is the entire reason I financed it on my own and not through HD. Screw them, they don't deserve my money. So let's not put the blame on people looking for a good deal when MOS(not all) of the dealerships never wanted or deserved any allegience
(Message edited by bhillberg on October 30, 2009)
(Message edited by bhillberg on October 30, 2009) |
Tankhead
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 03:00 pm: |
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Just a little story about what happened to me today. Told salesman yesterday will be in today to make a deal. He "said" he would put a hold sticker on the Uly. Took off from work, Fiance and I drove the hour to get there, He starts filling out paper work to test drive the vehicle. DL, proof of auto ins. I told him I am not interested in driving it yet lets just talk about the deal. We settled on a price, he then proceeds to tell me that the bike has a broken ECM. He asks if I know what that is. Yes. I ask why wasn't it just reflashed? Then I say let me see the bike. The head mechanic came out with the keys and starts locking and unlocking the helmet lock. He can't seem to get the seat off. I said that is because the seat lock is behind the bike. He sounds like he is doing me some kind of favor with that piss poor pretentious attitude and proceeds to peel the seat off and sure enough a missing ECM. Why did you fill out a test drive sheet if you knew this was missing and why the hell didn't you call and tell me that I wouldn't get the bike today. I took off work, you told me to come today and pick it up. He just found out today that it had a bad ECM. Told him that this was unbelievable. This is the same dealership that told me that they would match any low offers out there and then called me back and said that they could only give me $1000 off. I walked out. Buell didn't go under because of customers, Buell went out of business because of this type of bullshit. Unacceptable. |
Tankhead
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 03:23 pm: |
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Oh and BTW, this dealer is also selling the hydration packs and the messenger bags for over $30.00. These were free for customers who test ride. This dealer doesn't allow test rides unless you are buying and have signed all the paper work so they kept them to sell them. Ass. |
Bhillberg
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 04:19 pm: |
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Tank, this is exactly what I am talking about. I have bought 2 bikes now within a year from this same dealer (used X1 and new CR) I know that I got a good deal on the CR but if it is a FACTORY rebate the dealer isn't losing money, right? Well add in some shirts, a jacket, parts and whatever else I have bought there over the last year or so you would think that they could give me some good treatment. The only reason I kept going back was because the original salesman I worked with on my X1 was good to me so I kept hoping to get him again. Well then yesterday as I was in there to pick my bike up for warranty work less than a week after I bought it (not complaining, I of all people know that when you make a machine sometimes there are glitches but if I was a salesman I would try to make a guy in my shoes even more happy) I started asking about the Buell posters, signs, etc. I asked what they were going to do with all of them. He said probably end up in his garage. I have no need for a poster, sign or anything else but why would a guy that has zero interest in Buell hoard this stuff instead of letting someone who loves them have it? I asked to BUY some of it and he said it wasn't for sale. There are very few dealers that have any kind of bond with Buell. I have never actually met one. I am sure some of the sponsors on here are different but that is the exeption to the rule and that is in my mind the reason that they have been killed off. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 04:22 pm: |
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Psst.  |
Oddball
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 04:38 pm: |
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Tankhead, Old Glory lists several. Not as great prices as some have gotten but it's getting late in the buying frenzy. A bit of a drive for you cause they're near DC. I didn't see any listed at Fredrick. Ratbuell would know for sure.
Oh yeah sorry FtBastrd. Forgot you still had one.
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Bhillberg
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 04:49 pm: |
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See, if every dealer had just ONE fat bastard we might be in an entirely different situation now! |
Oldog
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 05:05 pm: |
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Bhillberg
the whole place where Ft is working is like that, I spoke to Casey today about an item I purchased
( she runs the "candy shop" as Ft calls it)
If you ever meet Tom, He's infectous, they LOVE Riding and motorcycles,
Dealerships have a culture and its obvious when you visit Bumpus HD or deal with them
they love bikes and riding.
If more places were like Bumpus We would not be mourning the closure of Buell.
(Message edited by oldog on October 30, 2009) |
Tankhead
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 05:11 pm: |
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Just ordered one from a dealer up in northeast pa. Getting it right from the Buell factory. They were one of the dealers that signed on with buell for the next 7 years. They will confirm what they are getting for me this week. Buell has some stock left and are still filling orders if they have them in stock in east troy. FTbastard does this sound right? Sorry about not flying down to tn. Good news a good guy named Tom in troy NY stayed on the phone with me while online using the locator and gave me phone numbers of dealers that 09 thrust blue X's. After calling around I made a deal and hopefully they will be able to fill the order.... we shall see |
Augustus74
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 05:59 pm: |
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Hey Tank, I also put a deposit on an 1125R from the same dealership. How come the wait??? Nervous I might not get one! |
Jammin_joules
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 06:00 pm: |
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" with "incentives" it's supposedly not costing the dealers anything... "
Well, that all depends upon the price you ultimately pay.
Incentives off MSRP or Incentives off cost. One is a good profit, the latter is no profit.
In both cases, the dealer has been paying for his floor plan, finance charges on his inventory. Plus there is freight from Buell and set up labor. Also there is a cost of doing paperwork - what ever that over head is.
But please do not think that dealers that are giving these great prices are making money. In many cases they are trying to cut losses. Putting the pressure to further cut prices on accessories too, well, sure, there is a recipee for a good time. |
Jammin_joules
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 06:29 pm: |
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Here is what can happen when too much dealing and wheeling are done. We've all seen a good number of Buell dealers drop the brand. Maybe most were marginal in customer service, but still, fewer dealers mean less likelihood of finding service on the road for those of you who ride our of your immediate area. Well, Harley is not immune to closures either, nor is its competition.
As analysts try to estimate the number of dealer closures in the past year, Harley-Davidson and Polaris have commented on their own dealer counts in presentations related to their third-quarter financial filings.
Polaris expects its North American dealer count to fall by about 5 percent in 2009. U.S. dealer repossessions have stabilized, the company states in an investor presentation. Twenty dealers had their Polaris inventory repossessed in the fourth quarter of 2008. But that number has continued to fall to 13 dealers during the first quarter of this year, 12 in the second quarter and just nine in the third quarter. (These stores, of course, may have continued to operate.)
According to the Polaris’ 2008 annual report, about 1,500 dealers carried its off-road vehicles, 800 its snowmobiles and 315 its Victory motorcycles.
According to StreetInsider.com, Harley-Davidson commented on its dealer count during its Q3 conference call. An executive reportedly stated that four dealers and 10 secondary dealer locations have closed in 2009. But Harley stated that 15 to 30 “dealer points” could close during the next six months.
The online news service’s summary of the conference call does not mention a geographical region for the dealer closings.
In its annual report for 2008, Harley stated that it had 686 full-service dealerships in the U.S., 71 in Canada, 383 in Europe and 233 in other regions.
Harley-Davidson dealers also sell products through extensions of their main store. These extensions consist of Secondary Retail Locations (SRLs), Alternate Retail Outlets (AROs) and Seasonal Retail Outlets (SROs). SRLs are satellites that satisfy additional retail and service demand. SRLs also provide P&A, general merchandise and licensed products and are authorized to sell and service new motorcycles. AROs are located primarily in high-traffic locations such as malls, airports or vacation destinations and focus on selling general merchandise and licensed products. SROs also are located in high-traffic areas, but operate on a seasonal basis out of temporary locations such as vendor kiosks. AROs and SROs are not authorized to sell new motorcycles.
In the United States, Harley-Davidson had 101 SROs, 77 AROs and 12 SROs. In other regions, it had only a handful of these extensions. |
Mndwgz
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 07:01 pm: |
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Too bad I didn't see this thread earlier. My local "Buell" dealer has a NEW '07, a few '08s, & '09s of "those ugly dirt bike things" still sitting on the showroom floor for MSRP - rebate. (if you ask)
Buell didn't go under because of customers, Buell went out of business because of this type of bullshit.
Exactly.} |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 08:37 pm: |
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(Message edited by skinstains on November 02, 2009) |
Jammin_joules
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:13 pm: |
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"Too bad I didn't see this thread earlier. My local "Buell" dealer has a NEW '07, a few '08s, & '09s of "those ugly dirt bike things" still sitting on the showroom floor for MSRP - rebate. (if you ask)
Buell didn't go under because of customers, Buell went out of business because of this type of bullshit."
So let me get this straight, a dealer buys a 2008 Uly, it sits (albeit due to his inept sales dept) until nearly 2010. He pays interest on the cost of goods sitting on his floor. In October, he is offered an incentive (and it is not $5,500, sorry to correct this misconception, it is thousands less than that on Ulysses) and a dealer doesn't want to sell them at a loss, this according to you is bullshit?
Cost + profit = MSRP is how a dealership business plan is set up. That profit has to cover a huge number of variables a dealership has at risk not the least of which is training service techs, sales people, taxes, rent, power, etc.
The incentive, is an incentive to the dealer, not a rebate to the buyer. The incentive is not an advertised discount to the public. If you negotiate your price then demand the incentive off that after the price was agreed to, 99 out of 100 sales will not be completed.
I do not expect anyone to be paying MSRP on a Buell right now. But if you think cost minus incentive is a reasonable price, this attitude from buyers is exactly how some dealerships formed opinions that hurt Buell sales, because potential buyers were treated poorly out of reaction to the dealer not being expected to make a profit.
Of course walk into a Porsche dealer, or BMW or McDonald's even, and make such a brazen demand and see how you are treated.
Dealers that are dumping Buells at prices that make zero profit for them are not planning on supporting the brand for the future and will be out of the business as soon as they are out of inventory. Those who still expect to make a profit, albeit way below what they had planned for, are trying to salvage the business and justify keeping in Buell support.
Let me put it another way. I sold out of all my existing inventory sans one XB9 within a week by offering bikes at a reasonable price, a price that potential buyers from the summer saw reduced by thousands of dollars. I then proceeded to acquire more from either local Buell dealerships that are dropping the brand or by ordering new Buells from East Troy.
These bikes sold for more than the same ones I sold from inventory last week. When pressed for reasons by subsequent buyers, I put it simply:
Why would I send a truck with a driver on the clock, to go get a bike 100 miles away, and sell it at a loss? Why am I not entitled to a profit for my services? 
FOr those here answering or thinking I am not entitled to a profit, you exhibit, in part, what helped Wandell decide to shutter Buell. I know those folks hearing that don't like it, but I firmly believe it.
(Message edited by Jammin_Joules on November 01, 2009) |
Jammin_joules
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:24 pm: |
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Ft_bstrd: " ...
The only problem with that is that the lower pricing was below what it
cost to make the bikes.
You can't sell a product below the cost of manufacture plus profit and
stay in business very long."
+111
Careful here though, many folks here take exception to a dealership expecting to make a profit. Apparently they all volunteer each day when they are not on their high horse telling us drones how we should also not expect an income.  |
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