| Author | Message | ||
     Teddagreek |
Buell is no more... Curious though what did the elves have in works? *Some one recently mentioned ABS was coming to the ULY... *This was taken at last home coming..  http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/496363/478013.html} .} | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I am still waiting for the super secret dumpster pics of the dirty Rooster. Please, before the things meet a crusher and suffer the fate of the Blast Cu3e | ||
| Oddball |
Maybe HD will stick things like that in their museum. Likely the only hope to view it. | ||
| Blake |
If the honest answer to the topical question ever comes out, it will spark even more outrage towards the myopic been counters @ HDI. | ||
| Mndwgz |
If the honest answer to the topical question ever comes out, it will spark even more outrage towards the myopic been counters @ HDI. OHHH NOOOOOOO!!! (what do you know? do tell.}) | ||
| Svh |
The employees were not very tight lipped about it on Monday. I asked a bunch and got nearly identical descriptions from 4 of them. Think 1125RR for the street and you are getting somewhat close but not exact and probably too slow... | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
That XB12X City they had on the line was rather hot looking. Heading for Euro. I'm sure it would have been here too. Chain drive on that RR. | ||
| Tpoppa |
If they weren't tight lipped, what was it? There was a comment several months ago (not related to Badweb) from someone that I would consider to be a reliable source that HD was involved with the development of a new V4. No, not the Nova. (Message edited by tpoppa on October 28, 2009) | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
That V4 wasn't for Buell. Its been scrapped, along with the bike for it. | ||
| Svh |
take the 1125R add about 75cc's and chain drive. Then take away about 40-50lbs of weight using composites for subframe and other pieces much like they are doing on dirtbikes now. It also had some other trick pieces but that is all they would say about them. Really wish we could find out more about that brake caliper up top. | ||
| Court |
You left out "add 60 RWHP".  | ||
| Svh |
2 folks said World Superbike racing rules helped sculpt the bike and they fealt they would be trying to go there. If that was true I am truly ashamed that HD gave up. Everyone that I spoke with about the bike was super proud of it and sad their "baby" never saw the light of day. Here's to the future!  | ||
| Xb9er |
svh thanks for looking out there. With the information you just gave us makes me really excited about the next bike Erik will come out with. I'm a true believer that this is only the beginning of Erik Buell and his motorcycles. I could really use another 75 more cc's and 60 more hp's(okay maybe not really need them  ) I mean we have 174 out of 200 years left. Just the beginning my friends, just the beginning. | ||
| Wbrisett |
2 folks said World Superbike racing rules helped sculpt the bike Which makes me wonder, if Buell got into the Superbike class and started placing well, would their fortunes have been different? Wayne (Message edited by wbrisett on October 28, 2009) | ||
| Tnxbrider |
Could it be that A living Legend has been created by this production stoppage??? Was this the plan? | ||
| Xl1200r |
Obviously I have no inside information on anything, but... We're talking about a ~325 lbs, 200+ hp 1200cc V-twin sportbike. Erik and the Elves are capable of a lot, but this sounds like total BS to me, lol. Plus, I don't know that subframes and "other pieces" could save 50 lbs if they were made out of helium. However, if this is what was seriously coming down the pike, and Buell would have been able to sell it for less than $18,000, H-D should be collectively shot on sight for this move. | ||
| Svh |
Like I said I got the same stories/descriptions from multiple sources in varying places of employment in Buell. If I had only got one little bit from this guy and another from someone else I wouldn't have said a word. One employee told me it smoked an 1198 on the test track but I left that out because he was the only one to say anything like that but I believe him and the others. What could have been... | ||
| Firstbuell |
I believe that the 8-pot F brake caliper shown above is from Hayes, an automotive OEM supplier who also provided this rigid-mount R caliper -  | ||
| P_squared |
An 1199RR as a DOT approved model, putting out ~200HP at the shaft. Designed towards a goal of being eligible to compete in WSBK. You just made me really HATE HDI and their decision. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Somebody mentioned they were told the 2011 Ulysses would have had ABS too. I think that would have brought over a few more BMW riders. | ||
| Madduck |
Don't spend a lot of time bashing Harley, They can bring Buell back with a wink and a nod. Right now they are arranging mid/long term financing for future growth. They've cleared out some deadwood at the top, prepped for Fed review to qualify for aid and are keeping production plans simple. The real hope for a Buell future lies in their hands and I for one am trying my best to keep my local dealer interested in selling and servicing Buells. Harley dealers love fanatics of all shapes and sizes. Buell riders are about the bikes. Half of the Harley riders are about riding and drinking. Another half truely believe in orgainzing to create a better world with their charity work/bike rides. This economy will turn around and Buell will be back. Sorry Koolaid overload in progress. | ||
| 12x9sl |
What Madduck said sounds about right. What my sales guy Bob at Appleton Harley/Buell in WI (the dealership that DaveS worked for) told me the Friday morning after the announcement was: "Remember, they are just stopping production, we could be talking about a new bike in a couple of years." Now, I'm skeptical, but why not hope? | ||
| 12x9sl |
The other thing he (Bob) said was: "It pains us to see what they are doing to Buell. Anyone that has ridden the XB chassis know how good these bikes are." | ||
| Madduck |
I do not believe that Erik Buell does not have another chassis design in mind. My guess is that a street chassis holding either of the two current engines with capability to add user requested options, fairings, bags,two up, single, clubman type bars etc is beyond his imagining. Need hp from 60 to 150, already have that. Better heat management, monster style frame. Racers and tourer could easily have different fairings just need frame and mount. Look at the Harley accessory catalog and the basic frames and motors they make all the dealers gobs of money with. Harley marketing 101, good basic motorcycle that a customer can make look/do anything he wants. Chrome or all black, open the wallet and its yours. Buell is ideally positioned to transition the sprotster end of the Harley business from mainly a starter/girls bike into a big cash cow in the below 12,000 segment of the market. Harley is not selling Buell, it is about to grow Buell/?? into something we cannot imagine. I bet Court has seen the bikes and is going to tell us about it later. | ||
| Eor |
I'm assuming the next step would have been to put the Rotax engine in the Ulysses. That could have really shaken things up in the adventure/sport touring category. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Man, there is some wild speculation going on here. If HD is going to bring Buell back in a few years, I dont think EB got the memo judging from his appearance in the video. Furthermore, how do you reassemble the engineering team after you fired them? They aren't tools that will sit on the shelf waiting on you. It's not as easy as turning on the lights and picking up where you left off. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Yes it would have. I can see the compro now: Buell 1125 Ulysses Ducati 1098 Multistrada Triumph 1050 Tiger Suzuki 1000 V-Strom Benelli 900 TreK Battle of the liquid cooled adventure tourers. (Message edited by chadhargis on October 28, 2009) | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I could see a ulysses with a rotax engine only if it had multiple maps for low traction conditions. The jap bikes already have this. My 2008 XB12X is really a great compromise. It would be tough to really improve upon that. I like the idea of a modular "Base Model" with lego add-ons like fairings and bags and touring crap. The uly is almost at this point already. You can get one of those to do just about everything. | ||
| Blake |
"Obviously I have no inside information on anything, but... We're talking about a ~325 lbs, 200+ hp 1200cc V-twin sportbike. ... this sounds like total BS to me, lol. " The man said 40 to 50 LBs reduced weight. You chose 50 lbs to arrive at your dry weight of 325LB. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Forty to fifty pounds? The exhaust tract alone redone in a lighter alloy like titanium is probably worth half that. The rear wheel and sprocket can probably shed near 5 LBs reborn in forged aluminum alloy. The bodywork in carbon fiber is worth probably ten lbs. Some Ohlins forks, Ohlins shock, a new subframe, a refined chassis and there you go, just like the man said, 40 to 50 LBs. Believe it. The bike would be worth a heck of a lot more than $18K. More like $30K, closer to the price of a Ducati 1098R/1198R. | ||
| California69gs |
One of the elves mentioned a prototype bike ready to go for next years AMA..........to bad it won't see the light of day. I'm leaving hope that HD is looking to the future with Buell and could always bring it back. I just got my 06 up to snuff and hope to last out the economy. Those representing stated that Buell and HD were to interdependent......thing is we all know they were doing ok before and after HD owned them......I'm hoping this is just a test of time. |
