| Author | Message | ||
     Froggy |
Ok, everyone keeps talking about this magical law requiring HD to provide parts for a few years. Anyone got an actual link or details? The only info I have been able to find is he said/she said kinda stuff. | ||
| Damnut |
I just went through this same sort of thing that happened to Buell with the last company I worked for. I just got axed 6 weeks ago. Mothership decided that our little division wasn't holding our weight so they announced one day that we would offer our customer a one time buy for systems and that would be it. We were still building systems for customers (made to order) when this was announced. Imagine ordering a 1/2 million dollar piece of equipment and getting a letter stating that the company that is building it is shutting down. I received some very interesting phone calls.  I got cut in the first wave of RIF's. Oddly enough the last day my old place is to be open is Dec 18th. Well I was in the service dept and before I left I had to go back a few years and see what was sold/warranteed for parts so they could have a good understanding of what was needed to parts moving forward after the doors shut down. I don't know what law it is specifically but since I've been in service and have seen multiple products get cut, we have always had to provide service for 5 years after EOM. (End of Manf) | ||
| Xbrad9r |
i think changing from "mothership" to "murdership" when refering to HD should be a new rule on Badweb. | ||
| Niceguyeddy |
7 years as I was told Sunday (bound by law) by a salesman...sorry, no link. Does this include i.e. bags and stickers? Or simply "motor" parts? Ugh, single malt may be clouding the brain... | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
I was wondering thw same thing as Niceguy i.e. The Uly comfort Kit, tank bags, hell even GPS units....Im assuming all that stuff goes buh bye once the warehouse is empty. Im thinking if it isnt in your parts manual youre going to be outta luck. Can anyone clarify? btw I vote for HD (hundreds of douchebags) instead of murdershhip  | ||
| Hex |
If HD bankrupts next year, whatever law that exists, won't matter one bit... | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
Damnit Hex you have a point! But you know, the gov't will probably bail HD out when they do file since they are an "icon of American history" (Message edited by chrisrogers3 on October 20, 2009) | ||
| Metalstorm |
I don't don't think anyone here really wants HD to die. I for one want it to limp along in pain & agony for a looong looong time. I want them to make just enough to keep their employees paid and secure (and us in parts for the next ten years) but to always be low enough to forever regret their decision. | ||
| Court |
>>>Ok, everyone keeps talking about this magical law requiring HD to provide parts for a few years. There is no such law. | ||
| Buellerandy |
I was under the impression that HD would "honor" up to 7 years of warranty. As far as parts are concerned...I don't doubt they'll make an effort, but I have a feeling it'll be taken in stride. | ||
| Court |
I'm sure HD will. They provide parts for the discontinued Dyna Wide Glide. They are in the motorcycle business and have experience supporting discontinued products. I had little problem getting parts for my XR-1000 or my XLCR. There is no such law however. | ||
| Budc |
Court, You are close. Although there are not specific statutes dealing with this situation there are requirements contained in the Uniform Commercial Code which all States have adopted. I do not have the specific chapter/section but they are there. These also deal with warranties. | ||
| Cowboy |
I dont know about motorcycles but auto companis are bound by law I would think it would be same for us. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Engine parts won't be much of a problem in any case, at least with the XB platform. It will be the "non wearing" parts that will get hard to find. Still not an insurmountable problem...there is always the aftermarket. Beyond that, it will be as it has been with motorsports since the beginning...it will be up to the individual to be creative and resourceful... Still, it wouldn't hurt to stock up on some items while they are easily available and still inexpensive (if expense is an issue)... I'm gonna pull a "Court" here...these are exciting times....We have witnessed the birth of a Legend...I'm quite confident that I can keep my little piece of that legend in operation longer than I will be able to ride it. | ||
| Court |
I'd disagree Here is the UCC While all states have, at this point, technically "adopted" it, many have made substantial changes. HERE is a link that shows what various states have done. I'm scanned the following sections. While the UCC has certain provision related to warranty, I maintain there is no requirement for a period of support following the discontinuation of a project. However, as a practical matter, it would be foolhearty not to for two reasons. The fist is customer support and loyalty. The second is that the merchant and aftermarket vendors make a lot of money (hence the reason you can easily buy a bumper for a 1957 Chevy) on parts sales. § 1-304. Obligation of Good Faith. (This is most likely, were I depending on the UCC to make a case for continuing parts availability, where I'd start building my case) § 2-301. General Obligations of Parties. § 2-314. Implied Warranty: Merchantability; Usage of Trade. § 2-315. Implied Warranty: Fitness for Particular Purpose. § 2-725. Statute of Limitations in Contracts for Sale. | ||
| Court |
>>>I dont know about motorcycles but auto companis are bound by law Name the law. | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
I think the "7 years" come from the longest length of extended warranty HOG(NYSE) sells. Thus if you buy the 7 year extended warranty on a new Buell HOG(NYSE) has agreed to supply parts and repairs for that 7 years. They do leave themselves an out though- in the warranty contract they leave themselves the option of buying your bike for current value if the cost of all warranty repairs exceeds it's current market value. So if you don't get the extended warranty and the parts bins start emptying out in a few years, HOG(NYSE) may deny you parts to maintain a supply for Buells still under the extended warranty. Then again, HOG(NYSE) may go bankrupt and make the warranties worthless... | ||
| Court |
>>>I think the "7 years" come from the longest length of extended warranty HOG(NYSE) sells. Seems logical. I'd suggest that most of what will drive parts is demand. Again, the reason it's easy to buy parts for a 1957 Chevy. | ||
| Ducxl |
I had friends with the YUGO.that parts availability dried up VERY quick. | ||
| Snowblind |
I believe "7 Years" is just enough to not scare people away from buying up the rest of the inventory. | ||
| Cowboy |
Court. It has been a long time ago but when I worked for Haliburton (Otis engineering) we built and sold all types of oil field equipment and we were told by front office that we had to maintain suficant parts to rebuild our equiment for a # of yrs the length of time escapes me as of right now. as I stated above I dont know about Bikes. |
