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Fast1075
| | Posted on Friday, October 16, 2009 - 09:42 pm: | 
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I'm kinda going with the personal vendetta thing myself...Hog thinks it got what it wanted from Erik and the Elves in the form of innovation that is being passed on to the hog products...like the much improved power of the XR1200...
Court said more than once that Erik had some sort of personality conflict with some of those in power...Hog made no attempt what so ever to promote Buell. They got what they wanted and crushed Buell like a cigarette butt...with no thought about it at all...for POSSIBLE small short term gains...that is pitiful, short sighted and stupid.
All it would have taken to expand Buell's sales would have been a small product expansion to bring in more potential customers, some effective promotion to get the message out....and BOOM!!! The world would know about some of the finest sport bikes ever made...
But NO...In the words of Carl Sagan: The only element in the universe more plentiful than hydrogen....is STUPIDITY! |
Dalefranks
| | Posted on Friday, October 16, 2009 - 10:48 pm: |
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Dale. Listen up. Go •••• yourself. I don't want to see anyone like you here rationalizing the dishonorable actions of HDI to murder the Buell brand.
*shrug*
OK. You're one of those guys.
Whatever.
I'm not justifying what HD did. I'm just explaining the reasoning behind it. Doesn't mean I support it. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it. Doesn't mean I like HD. Doesn't mean I hate Buell.
But at the end of the day, things are what they are, whether you like hearing them or not.
Frankly, I'm curious about why you, like so many others, regard any sort of dispassionate analysis about what happened as some sort of sedition against Buell.
I could see where you might be pissed off if I wrote that HD did a good thing, or if I wrote that Buell sucked.
But I haven't made a single normative statement in the whole thread. So why does it bother you so much? |
Utacity
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 03:35 pm: |
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MBA SUITs made the call to shut down buell and like most mba suits they are incompetent. why shut down buell IF they make profit, even ANY profit..say you only make $1 profit at the end of the year...so waht...you provided cool bikes to customers and jobs to employees. What typical happens though is the suit accounting bs will show an operation is a 'loss' when it really isn't a loss because overhead management loafers put 'slap'(overhead) charges onto the operation so the parasites in management can make a living off the project. they like to claim that all that hr and accounting and this and that are 'helping' buell so buell must pay for it so suddenly buell operations tally an accounting loss...not a real loss...but an accounting one. i work for a MAJOR defense contractor at a particular plant. a new vp comes in and though the plant was making a profit for 10 years he CLAIMS that all the small projects (under 10 million) are 'hurting' the plant and so he gets rid of them, seriously, cancels contracts, lays off workers, presto the plant LOSES money the next year. well they shove his loser arse aside for a while then transfer him off. well what that fool didnt realize was that ALL those sub 10 million dollar projets MADE PROFIT, but on paper, once he added his 'slap' to everything, all his hr and accounting costs and overhead for the suits that do nothing...a 'small' 10 million dollar project looks, ON PAPER, like a loser...but its not...its just that stupid parasites in accounting try to assign some 10% slap fee for 'managing' the funds for that project and other 'costs'. in reality, those overhead people are there being paid no matter what and it costs the company essentially NOTHING to add even a dozen 10 million dollar contracts....you dont need more accountants or more hr weasels or more loafin vp suits etc. those parasites are already there and can easily do the miniscule amount of extra work to admin those projects (this assumes you have space in the building and such..its no extra light or heat etc.). anyhow..thats my long ramble explaing that i bet buell makes a profit but big fat bloated hd bureaucracy sucks down so much overhead they drowned buell with their accounting practicies. if erik and the buell emps could just buy buell they could keep it running and at a profit and hd could just take on some very small fee to carry the bikes at their dealers...but hd wont do that because the mba suits say NO THIS IS HOW YOU RUN A COMPANY AND DO ACCOUNTING AND IT JUST COSTS US 'TOO MUCH' TO HAVE A BUELL BIKE SUPPORTED AT AN HD DEALER. its bullshat of course. this is what is happening to amerika, loafin mba suits with ties that never did a real days work in their life have taking over public companies to enrich themselves while running a company into the ground. |
Utacity
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 03:41 pm: |
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buell discounts: I called 4 dealers in indiana and 1 in chicago. the stories i got were:
-5k discount on 1125 models
-3k discount on all other models
-discount is on 09 and 10 bikes
-dealers dont know if they can get more bikes from buell factory yet, they assume there are still leftover 09 models that havent shipped as well as 2010 models. i have 2 dealers checking monday and will call me and let me know if i can 'order' a 2010 bike and get the 3k off. of course dealers still want their freight/prep.
-i got quotes on 3 existing '09 models, out door pricing on scg lightning was $8665 at one, $8172 at another dealer, and $8707 on another...so thats tax and freight and prep. i was hoping for better deals than that but they will check on the 2010 models and let me know. i've ridden an 1125 and dont care for them for a daily commuter so i only want a lightning or maybe uly. i'll try and remember to post what i find out monday. |
Percyco
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 04:13 pm: |
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I bought a new 09 XB12ss today at the Syracuse NY dealer for $6700.00 out the door. They still had 1125R's for $4995.00...yikes! |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 05:08 pm: |
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It said it will book one-time charges of $215 million to $245 million in 2009 and 2010, about $55 million ahead of its July projections.
Where does it say that those are losses for "future sales"? |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 12:53 am: |
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its very dangerous accounting, its the type of shiate you hear from the government.
Ie there will be a cut in the forcasted budget and people will lose their jobs because of a predicted short fall in future collection of taxes. ?!?!? That future fall in taxes is based on a model by a computer programer with no accountability to the real situation at hand.
Watch this logic very carefully, it is the exact kind of cr@p they are using to push national healthcare. Its flawed there, its crippling here. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 01:08 am: |
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Frankly, I'm curious about why you, like so many others, regard any sort of dispassionate analysis about what happened as some sort of sedition against Buell.
You've heard of killing the messenger. Your analysis was spot-on when you first broke the news of Buell's demise awhile back.
Some are fired up emotionally and not able to see that "dispassionate analysis" must be conducted in order to move forward.
In fairness, the body isn't even cold yet. It will take time for some to come to terms with what has happened. It's like a death of a friend. |
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