| Author | Message | ||
     Mindi |
Thank you Methed, I thought I would be the only one to pick apart his misguided diatribe regarding Christianity. Jesus never spoke against war. He stated in Matthew 24:6-7 "And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places." When Jesus said "tend my sheep" and "feed my sheep" he was referring to winning souls to Christianity, not passing things out at the soup kitchen. We do those things also, so that we may be an inspiration for them to know Jesus. Also - I DO read the book, but I DON'T beat people over the head with it. The path to Jesus is narrow and the choice of the world is wide; so I accept that most of you chuckle heads won't be there. That doesn't stop me from feeling the need to present Jesus in an open honest way that is ACCURATE, and not some left wing hate mongering - slinging antiquated fallacies just for effect. So since you brought up that Book that most of us supposedly don't read, I find it remarkable that this event posted in the OP could be the prophesy regarding the White Horse of the Apocalypse (peace) who rides in. Many have debated about how the prophecies of Revelation could actually come about in today's world. Perhaps we are seeing a glimpse of one now. Wrong is Right and Right is Wrong | ||
| Rocketsprink |
You haven't lost me at all. I went to Catholic schools my entire life, so do yourselves a favor, and please don't try and preach the meaning of Gods word to me. It was also said to cut off a hand, or a foot, or to pluck out an eye if you sinned. Have you done that yet? Point being is you can't believe in Gods word and then at the same time ignore all the suffering and issues of this Country and the World. That goes for everyone and ever political belief. But to say the Republican party doesn't consider itself the party of "God", for the lack of a better term, is ridiculous. Just open your ears and listen. Damn. Sarah Palin was/is a prime example. But I digress. Continue your hatred of the President and the fact he won the Nobel Prize. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Obama didn't "win" a NPP. It was GIVEN to him. That is the crux of the issue. Neither political party has a monopoly on God. One party simply works to follow God's teachings more closely and the other fills it's ranks with individuals who's beliefs are least consistent with God's teachings. I'm pretty sure God is Pro-life. I'm pretty sure God spoke specifically against homosexuality. I'm pretty sure that God spoke specifically about a worker needing to be worth his wages (not getting stuff from the government for free). Having gone to Catholic school, you already know these things, and yet you chose to follow a party that actively thwarts nearly EVERY single tenet of Christianity. Why the dichotomy? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I went to Catholic schools whats up with the hats? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Ft seriously what bible do you read. Maybe old testament god would say and do those things but theirs a second half to that book. I believe that half teaches acceptance and forgiveness. I also recall something about judgment being reserved for him and him alone. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets (Old Testament); I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17 Please explain where the New Testament abolishes any part of the Old Testament. PS. Both the New and Old Testaments teach about ATONEMENT for sin. Forgiveness only comes AFTER atonement. "Acceptance" isn't part of the equation. | ||
| Limitedx1 |
"politics and religion shouldnt mix..." Ron 10:13 does it really matter who actually wrote all that crap.....everyone digests those words their own way and uses their beliefs for their own personal help. hmmm...drkside is from IL, maybe that has something to do with it. dont get me started on your gun laws..... oh and tell Hossa sorry about his luck  | ||
| Drkside79 |
It's scripture day on Bad Web: Luke 6:37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. BTW i don't even find this applicable because i don't feel gays need our forgiveness. I understand that accepting differences is a hard thing to do for just about everyone it seems but that does not mean that being different is wrong. Also while we throw verses at one another lets keep in mind that the bible should not be taken literally it was written by man not God. Also lets not forget the book also said said someone lived inside a whale. But in the spirit of quotes: In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. ~Mark Twain~ | ||
| Drkside79 |
Limited I will when he gets back. Go Hawks!! Oh and Go Bears! | ||
| Chadhargis |
Being raised in the church, I know the Bible quite well. One thing I believe in above all is that we're saved by God's grace, not by the law (of the Bible). I learned a long time ago that hellfire and brimstone and telling people they were going to "burn in hell" is a horrible representation of God's love for us. Faith, hope, and love...with love being chief among those is the way to a relationship with God. All that being said, once you discover the true and living God, you should want to follow his teachings out of desire to be as he would have you. You shouldn't do it to avoid Hell. | ||
| Patches |
If Obama shouldn't get the Nobel Peace Prize who do you think should get it. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Who is "judging" anyone, Dark? These aren't MY laws. I didn't make them up. Actually they WERE written by God and given to Moses. After the law, the rest is the narrative of man. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Candidate for the Nobel Prize....Bill Gates. "No. 1 givers Bill and Melinda Gates, the world's largest international donors, who made history this year by giving their estimated $3 billion Microsoft Corp. (MSFT ) dividend to their foundation. It's one of the largest donations in history by a living donor. To put it into perspective, that one gift is three times bigger than the amount that America's richest family, the descendants of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT ) founder Sam Walton, has given during their entire lifetimes, according to our ranking." I'm not a Microsoft Kool-Aid drinker, but Bill and his wife have done quite a bit internationally. Heck, even Oprah opened up a school in Africa. Both are better candidates than Obama. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I must have missed the no kissing dudes commandment. Damn you Charlton Heston! | ||
| Limitedx1 |
"All that being said, once you discover the true and living American Dream, you should want to follow the constitution out of desire to be a model american. You shouldn't do it to avoid the welfare program." see what I mean.......it was written by man and can be interpreted any way u want and used in whatever context you like to make yourself sleep at night. "One thing I believe in above all is that we're saved by God's grace, not by the law (of the Bible)." how is he saving us again? for the people who work and abide by goverment law we are all ok for the moment. but what about the people starving and sleeping on the street......i guess god forgot about those people because they cant afford to go to church | ||
| Nik |
I'm pretty sure God spoke specifically against homosexuality. Within those laws relayed by Moses, it's also mentioned in that eating bacon and/or cheeseburgers is an Abomination!! It's always boggled my mind how people (of all Abrahamic faiths) can focus on some of the old testament laws while completely ignoring others. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I must have missed the no kissing dudes commandment. Apparently so. Within those laws relayed by Moses, it's also mentioned in that eating bacon and/or cheeseburgers is an Abomination!! "The next day, as they were on their journey and coming near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11 and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common [koinon] or unclean [akatharton].” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has cleansed, you must not call common [koinon].” 16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven." Acts 10:9-16 Prohibition against eating "unclean" animals waived. Converted Jews often do not observe kosher whereas Messianic Jews do. The process of continuing to evaluate and re-evaluate the word, in Jesus' day, was called "binding and loosing". The totality of what is and is not allowed was based upon the interpretation of a particular Rabbi. This totality of interpretation was called the Rabbi's "yoke". When someone asked which Rabbi you followed, they were asking which "yoke" they were under. Some Rabbis taught a very strict, rule heavy yoke. Others taught a less strict interpretation of the law. One Rabbi even said "my yoke is easy and my burden is light". | ||
| Limitedx1 |
 sorry i will stop my hating of organized american cult religion. but that poster is most appropriate for the direction this thread has turned. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Nik |
That appears to nullify the prohibition against bacon, but not against cheeseburgers. (Ex. 34:26) "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk." Drkside79, you're looking for Lev. 18:22. And strictly speaking there weren't Rabbis in "Jesus' day." The Pharisees were precursors though. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I just find this stuff interesting from an anthropologic perspective. I'm more than willing to be wrong. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?" Jesus answered, "Yes, it is you." Matthew 26:25. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Once again Fat the book was written by Man and in some cases decades after the events transpired. I don't know if you ever worked in an office but a story doesn't stay straight for 20 minutes imagine what 20 years would do. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him. " Matthew 26:49 "Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Rabbi!" and kissed him." Mark 14:45 "He approached Jesus to kiss him, 48but Jesus asked him, "Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?" Luke 22:47 Seems to be a pretty consistent account. | ||
| Sifo |
But to say the Republican party doesn't consider itself the party of "God", for the lack of a better term, is ridiculous. Just open your ears and listen. Damn. Sarah Palin was/is a prime example. Rocket, seriously... do you want to stand by that statement? So Palin considers herself to be a Christian. So what. What about all the Democrats that use the title Reverend? Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Al Sharpton, the all time favorite and spiritual leader of BO Reverend Jeremiah Wright. You also have many leaders of the Democratic party who claim to be of the Christian faith. I'll let God sort out their true beliefs, but you have BO himself, Bill and Hill (at least when they are in political hot water), John Kerry, Jimmy Carter. This is just real quick off the top of my head, not meant to be any kind of comprehensive list. I certainly don't see Republicans laying claim to the Christian religion. Democrats are welcome through the church doors too. Now if you wish to claim that Republicans tend to follow their religious convictions better than Democrats, perhaps you might be on to something. Plenty of Democrats lay claim to religious faith however. It's just that in the next breath they try to rewrite our history to erase the Christian origins of our nation. | ||
| Hmartin |
The scripture is in reference to our souls, not our physical well-being. You think God wants our money? He couldn't care LESS about our money. "If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing." - 1 Corintians 13:3 Helping the sick and the poor is OUR job. "Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?" - James 2:15-16 Nowhere does it say to take someone ELSE's money (through taxation, etc.) to give to the poor. It's about what's in our heart, not what's in our wallet. The poor are just as welcome to Christ's kingdom as anyone else. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Sometimes the hardships people face are of their own making and due to the decisions they have made. There are consequences to our actions. Sometimes those consequences include homelessness, illness, even death. Sometimes "bad things happen to good people". Many times going through these "bad things" strengthens us and makes us more empathetic to the needs of others. Which commander would you rather follow into battle, the grizzled one covered in scars in his fourth tour of duty or the one fresh out of boot? Our scars provide connections to others. What Obama and crowd are advocating will hobble the poor rather than making them stronger, more resilient, more independent. This has been the plan all along. Sometimes "helping" means allowing bad things to happen. Part of free will is living with the consequences of your choices. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Which commander would you rather follow into battle, the grizzled one covered in scars in his fourth tour of duty or the one fresh out of boot? Our scars provide connections to others. I guess that depends on whether his scars are do to his own repeated incompetence. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I guess that depends on whether his scars are do to his own repeated incompetence. Fair enough. That said, there is benefit in failure and success. Experience is built on both. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Also agreed upon See that's not so hard  | ||
| Mayerhd |
Wow, one of the better threads I've read in a bit, I've learned a lot. I find it interesting that the same people that question other's acceptance of others; are the ones that spend their time attacking those that don't agree with their beliefs. |
