| Author | Message | ||
     Pkforbes87 |
After reading the most recent issue of Sport Rider and their article about the 150 1098R Bayliss editions that will be sold stateside, I've become curious.. With a price tag of $43,000 USD, I wonder how it would measure up against the $40,000 1125RR. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
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| White |
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| Pkforbes87 |
Heh, the outcome of such a comparison may not be pretty, but it would answer legitimate questions - is the 1125RR worth the money, and can it be a superbike contender? Who knows.. Maybe the two bikes are very closely matched and the ducati just comes with $3000 worth of lights and license plate brackets  | ||
| Americanmadexb |
ummmm... im guessing HP on the Duc wins! Lets see on the track though. | ||
| Rfischer |
I think we might be surprised how evenly matched they are in HP, and performance. | ||
| Elvis |
There's plenty of data for comparison here: http://www.amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm? year=2009&eid=2009010960&discipline=RR&class=SB&ty pe=P&rnum=2 From what I saw, Larry Pegram's best time was 121.681 and Taylor Knapp's best time was 121.717. Throughout practice, qualifying and racing, the Ducati and Buells were running right together with times in the high 121's and low 122's. Pegram's 1098R likely has quite a few mods beyond the street 1098R, so it may not be a direct comparison. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Are all 1098R's actually 1198cc? | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
yes. | ||
| Spatten1 |
The only handicap I see for the Buell is the aerodynamics problems. If a 600 can pull a 1125 at high speeds due to aerodynamics, what will happen against superbike on a long high-speed straight? Is it legal to re-locate the radiators in Superbike so the Buell does not have to push so much air? | ||
| Imonabuss |
All the people in the pits know that Pegram's bikes were Nori Haga's last year's WSB's with the works Ohlins removed. So top quality stuff. Quite interesting that the two 1125RR's were right with him in New Jersey. Still a bit down on power, but not a bad match up. If the 1125RR's can pick up 10-15HP they will contend for podiums. The 1125RR appears to be the real deal. Radiator size and are totally open in Superbike. The ones on the Suzukis, Hondas etc. are nothing like what comes stock. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I believe Haga was on a Yamaha last year. No? | ||
| Blublak |
'Bus, IIRC - The bike was actually Bayliss', Haga wasn't on the Duc last year. Just to help keep everything crystal.. I too can't wait to see how they stack up on track, I'm sure we'll see it.. Next year.. | ||
| Blake |
"If a 600 can pull a 1125 at high speeds due to aerodynamics" I thought your contention was that the Buell 1125R was walking past the 600's? Which is it? Also, maybe you are confused about the difference between a Daytona Sport Bike machine and a Superbike? | ||
| Svh |
I just hope Buell is not racing the 1125R in Daytona Sportbike next year. I am glad they got a championship but I do feel a bit let down still that it was against 600's. Not sure how a company can be proud that their superbike beat up on the middleweights from their competitors. I know Eslick made the difference and it was close until Cardenas got hurt but just because you can run against 600's doesn't mean you should. Hope it helped the sales of Buell some. Next year my guess is they will not be in Daytona Sport and just be in Superbike. I hope. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
let's not start that argument again.....please!!! | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
My Lord..... Svh, answer me this... If you and I were to race one another and our choice of engines were, Porsche 3.6 litre (219cui) straight six or a standard GM 350 small block, which one would you choose? Bigger isn't always better | ||
| Speedfreaks101 |
I would take the SBC, better aftermarket & cheaper to make hp (and I am not a GM guy).  | ||
| Elvis |
Hypothetical question: As a Buell fan, would you rather see another championship in Sportbike or a 7th place finish in Superbike? I'd take the 7th in Superbike. It doesn't have anything to do with liking Buells or not liking Buells or understanding the advantage of lighter weight or wanting closer racing . . . As a Buell fan, I want to see Buells racing against the top bikes. Period. | ||
| Reepicheep |
As a Buell fan, I want to see more *great* racing like I saw last year in Daytona Sportbike. The class is $$, mod level, and HP limited. It is NOT nor was it ever intended to be displacement limited. Deal with it. I hope the 1125RR makes the superbike classes as exciting as the sportbike classes were last season. | ||
| Svh |
Ferris- I never knew Porsche made a straight six. A better comparison would be taking a Corvette and racing against a Mazda Miata. I agree with Elvis, first time I have ever said that, above. I understand the hp to weight thing. I used it to justify to my buddies why they are in that class instead of with their logical competition. The racing was truly great at times in Daytona Sportbike. I just don't agree that is where Buells flagship bike belongs. Not sure why anyone would. | ||
| Nik |
Porsche 911s and Corvettes both race in LeMans GT2, despite the C6.R having almost twice the engine of its competitors... A lot less whining there. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Ding Ding Ding... "Let's Get Ready to Ruummbllllleeeee!!!" A better comparison would be taking a Corvette and racing against a Mazda Miata. Not even close. If you can't get past the IL4 class structure, then you are trapped in your own shortsighted world. Feel sorry for you. I would like to see Buell take the Superbike world by storm just like the next guy, however if the rules don't change in DSB, then your nuts to say Buell shouldn't take advantage. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Whether Buell race in DSB or not doesn't bother me, but I agree with Elvis - "As a Buell fan, I want to see Buells racing against the top bikes. Period." To me (for large capacity production bikes) that means only one thing - Superbike. Hopefully WSBK in the not too distant future too. (Message edited by lemonchili_x1 on October 07, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>I would take the SBC, better aftermarket & cheaper to make hp (and I am not a GM guy). Think carefully about your answer. I'm headed down to see Casey at TPC. What if Buell were more exciting that we thought next year? I mean . . . it was only a week before the 1125RR debut that folks assured me "Buell will never build a Superbike". Fun discussion . . . but pretty much the domain of a Mets - Yankess bar squabble in Queens. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Whats to keep Buell from being competitive in Superbike with the 1125RR? We already have more than competent riders and the power/tq. numbers aren't anything to sneeze at even compared to the rice and spaghetti rockets. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I thought I heard Buell was a go for DSB next year and the AMA isn't changing any rules. B00, money is the answer to your question. | ||
| 46champ |
I think if their is any way possible Buell will be racing Superbike next year, the Eric Buell Racing team was racing Superbike not DSB I think that tells you where they want to race. | ||
| Elvis |
It looks like Buells will be eligible for DSB, BUT Edmondson also said he would address some technical details to make sure no bikes have an advantage. The CLEAR intent of that statement was that the Buell would be restricted. For Edmondson to make this class what he wants, he has to show that the Buell doesn't have an advantage. That likely means imposing restrictions that will make it difficult for even a great rider like Danny to compete. What will it say about Edmondson's "parity" series if the same bike and rider wins it two years in a row . . . or even the same bike with a different rider? (and a bike that has already been accused of having an unfair advantage at that). Edomondson has to have a goal in mind that a Buell CAN'T win next year. With the progress RMR and Danny have made over the past year, if no rules are changed, there's a good chance Danny could walk away with it and destroy that "good competition" everybody has been enjoying. Yes, the Buell is that good (despite what we've been telling everybody this year so that we could enjoy seeing Buells racing in a serious, competitive series for the first time ever). Personally, I'd rather see them in Superbike where they can go all-out, balls to the wall . . . rather than trying to work within a class that will be highly influenced by politics. . . . and politics that will be stacked against Buell. (Message edited by elvis on October 07, 2009) | ||
| Rasta_dog |
I've had enough of the minor leagues. I'm ready to see the 1125RR to take on the World!  |
