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Xl1200r
| | Posted on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 09:28 pm: | 
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>>>Why is it that any sportbike that isn't a Buell is called a "Jap wannabe" in here??
Don't recall seeing that anywhere...
Here's my thing:
Japanese-esque styling? Yes.
Japanese-esque engineering? Yes.
Japanese-esque engine? Yes.
Yes + Yes + Yes = Japanese wannabe bike. |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 01:36 am: |
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"And to think people complain about buell's fit and finish"
Who complains about this? I have never heard or experienced this |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 08:13 am: |
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Aliens |
Barker
| | Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 08:22 pm: |
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I have heard many owners and non-owner motorcyclists complain\ about buell fit and finish. I dont agree, but that what some folks say.
The fisher I saw, looked slapped together. I need to find those pix. Parts obviously did not line up. ruff looking plastics and body work. You can't tell when you are 10 feet away.
In person, the Fisher's rear end/seat/exhaust asm seemed way out of perportion to the rest of the bike. |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 10:00 pm: |
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Speaking of ill proportions, anyone heard any complaints about the 1125R? Hmmmmm?
And as far as "Erik was being innovative"... I believe that took some time. Before the XB's and all their wonky ideas, Buells were basically a short naked bike with a lump. Yeah yeah, mass centralized, yadda yadda. Not much to them.
And exactly what does "Japanese" look like? Anything with a full fairing that has more than 2 angles? Pretty sure BMW, MV-A, Aprilia, and Ducati could all be mistaken for "Japanese" from a distance. I don't believe there IS a "Japanese" look, honestly... maybe once upon a time, but not now.
~SM
(Message edited by Swordsman on October 05, 2009) |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 09:42 am: |
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I disagree. A car or bike can have a distinctly Japanese look to it. The BMWs looks like BMWs, despite the angles. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 10:25 am: |
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Time was, a "Japanese" bike had an IL4 engine. You know... just like MV Agusta.
The Fischer has a 90 degree V-Twin... just like a Ducati.
And as for Buell "Fit and Finish..." were the tubers really out so long ago that no one remembers how bad they were??? Or are you all wearing rose-colored glasses?
I certainly remember the peeling paint and poor fit of the components on my 2000 M2 Cyclone. Loved the bike, but it was LIGHTYEARS from the current XB and 1125 models in terms of fit and finish. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 10:43 am: |
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The Fischer has a 90 degree V-Twin... just like a Ducati.
Or a TL1000, or an SV650/SV1000, or an RC51... |
Whatever
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 10:57 am: |
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What is this? People talking motorcycles on the Quickboard? |
Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:02 am: |
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what kind of $$ are they asking for the beast? |
Guell
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:22 am: |
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Ive never had fit and finish issues with my 97 m2, the 99+ bodywork i had fit up like crap though.
I saw the word hyosong engine and ruled it out. |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:26 am: |
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"I disagree. A car or bike can have a distinctly Japanese look to it. The BMWs looks like BMWs, despite the angles."
Pshh, whatever. 
Yeah, those are OBVIOUSLY Beemers... nothing "Japanese" looking about those! 
All I'm saying is don't knock the guy on his first bike. Or his second, for that matter. It takes time to get the niggles out of your designs, and to find what truly is YOUR brand image. Nobody has a hit right out of the gate.
Oh, and the Fischer is going for $7k. Fantastic price point for an alternative to the Japanese 650's.
~SM |
Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:27 am: |
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I too have looked at hyosung, the fit and finish of their product is rough in places,
on the 650's it is for sure, its a copy ( the hyosung ) of an Sv650 engine, |
Patches
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:39 am: |
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Watch Super-bike racing on Speed Channel, whether its Euro, Metric, or Demotic brand I can not tell the difference unless it is wrote in big letters on the side. They all look the same to me. As far as the Fisher way too much plastic, I'll just stay with Harley Davidson. |
Elsinore74
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 12:16 pm: |
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I know what I like, and I like FritosŪ.
It's OK if you like potato chips; that's fine. There's enough room in the snack aisle for those.
Of course, all potato chips look the same to me...
No offense intended. Just reading and having lunch at the same time.  |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 02:30 pm: |
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"If Buell built and sold ugly Jap bike wannabes, then he'd be out of business."
Didn't EB want to use a Suzuki motor in his bikes before the T-Storm came along? |
Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 02:49 pm: |
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Didn't EB want to use a Suzuki motor in his bikes before the T-Storm came along?
that would have been kick arse! } |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 03:11 pm: |
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>>>Didn't EB want to use a Suzuki motor in his bikes before the T-Storm came along?
Close.
But inaccurate. |
Mark61
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 03:46 pm: |
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So Court set it straight for us.????
mark61 |
Gunut75
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 04:13 pm: |
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Japanese like/wannabe?!
These came out in 1974. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 04:56 pm: |
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All those racing bikes look the same for a reason: Aerodynamics. The fairings are there to control the airflow over the VERY unaerodynamic shapes of the engine, frame and rider. In order to get optimal airflow, you are limited to the shapes you can use.
Function over form.
The Fischer doesn't look like any Japanese bike out there, unless your definition of a "Japanese looking bike" is one with a full sport fairing.
You know, like Ducati, MV Agusta, Aprilia, Triumph, Cagiva, MZ, Benelli, BMW... all those brands...
By definition, then, even this bike is "Japanese looking"? |
46champ
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 10:03 pm: |
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Jamie you can't be serious about Modern Japanese sport bikes and Aerodynamics. With the exception of the Hayabusa most of the bikes in production today are less aerodynamic than than the Buell RR the XLTT and the Letterbox Triumph or BSA fairing of 1971. The only thing modern sportbike fairings do is chanel air to and from the radiator and allow engineers to design truly ugly engines and hide them under plastic. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 03:47 pm: |
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Yup... I'm sure the Japanese factories are spending a fortune putting unaerodynamic bikes on the grid. Sure wish they could afford a wind tunnel...  |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:16 pm: |
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I too have looked at hyosung, the fit and finish of their product is rough in places..
Yep, but they improve a bit each year |
4cammer
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 04:32 pm: |
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That 750 SFC Laverda is sweet. Even if its engine looks a bit like a big Honda twin...
One of the best looking bikes ever. |
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