| Author | Message | ||
     Ferris_von_bueller |
Even the Amish came out to witness the event http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/traffic/2009/09/sha_takes_on_another_big_move.html      | ||
| Hammer71 |
Amish rule. | ||
| Deltablue |
When they updated Peach Bottom, it came right through town, now that is some HEAVY equipment | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
They're Mennonites, not Amish. Amish don't wear colors, and I don't think they would ride bicycles. The area of Missouri I grew up in had a lot of each group. Both of them make some good peanut brittle though!  | ||
| Court |
Thank a construction worker . . .  We built the "dog houses" for the ACC (Air Cooled Condenser) in Houston, TX . . brought them to NYC by barge and lifted and carried them, at 475,000# each. Used the largest marine crane in the country. Interesting having non-union crane folks in NYC.  The HRSG (Heat Recycle Steam Generator) in Malaysia (just missed having the two of them taken out by the Tsunami) and brought to the US by Dockwise.   12,000,000 pounds . . largest load to come to the United States by ship . . we had to take the ladders off the side of the ship to clear the Panama Canal and took on ballast to lower the ship 5" to clear the Brooklyn Bridge . . . can you say LOTS of folks from the insurance company . . as well as helicopters from Mega-Structures. | ||
| Bill0351 |
Funny that it's cheaper to build them in Malaysia and deliver them here than to build them in the United States with American labor. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Funny .... I would say sad... | ||
| Hughlysses |
Sad, and amazing that they can get ASME certification to build pressure vessels for nuclear service half-way around the world. I wonder if they'll have crowds lining the roads when they ship the old ones out?  | ||
| Court |
This was less of a matter of cost (at least of the components) than time. Cost plays into the equation in that we had a $150,000 per day penalty if we missed completions. The units were built in Malaysia in 72 days. The last ones I "stick built" were for the NYPA 500MW CC plant (about 1/2 mile from this one) in 2002. They took over 2 years to do over 50,000 man-hours of welding. Just starting another plant right now that will be the mirror image of the last one. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
They're Mennonites, not Amish. Amish don't wear colors, and I don't think they would ride bicycles. You may be correct, however; the area of Pennsylvania that this equipment moved through is almost exclusively Amish. Remember the movie, Witness ??? It was filmed not far from where this move occurred. There are different sects of Amish, each with their own rules, etc. When they updated Peach Bottom, it came right through town, now that is some HEAVY equipment Those were transformers built by Hyundai. Those weighed about a half million pounds each. The steam generators, pictured above, weighed about a million pounds each. (Message edited by Ferris_von_bueller on September 23, 2009) | ||
| Court |
HRSG's in the pics I put up were 5,000,000# each, ship was 2,000,000# = 12,000,000 total. I bought our last 4 13.8/138kV transformers from Hyundai in Seoul, Korea. Mucho biggeo! Hump meter went out in one in the Port of LA and we had to send a guy inside . . . it was amazing. | ||
| Oldog |
How did they get steel. let alone build those in 72 days, @#$%@$@% we cant get steel for parts of our current project in that time. that thing must have been built by thousands of workers around the clock to be built start to finish in 72 days.... why did the us in place unit take 2 years? | ||
| Court |
>>>that thing must have been built by thousands of workers around the clock to be built start to finish in 72 days.... That's about right . . . . but between you and I . . . . they did a very poor job. The 2nd unit was not completely finished and there were not good records of what was done and what was not . . . I had 800 electricians trying to do all the control and power wiring and some conduits were there, some were not, some had wire, some wre vacant. We met the deadline but we were literally working around the clock . . hence the photos I used to post from atop the smoke stack at 2am of the NYC skyline We're just starting another plant that will be a mirror image of the one we did 3 years ago . . . it's already a bit behind schedule so it'll be a madhouse . . . but we'll be doing all the heavy rigging again. | ||
| Mark61 |
Different sects of Amish use different colors to sepperate them selves from each other. There are black, white and YELLOW top buggy sects. Look closely at those "bycycles". They are actually kick scooters. Amish kids often roller skate. Often in large groups of buggies moving together the kids will skate behind now and then. Skate boards with handlebars are sometimes seen too but I get the impression they are mostly for girls/sissys. mark61 | ||
| Paw |
Funny that it's cheaper to build them in Malaysia and deliver them here than to build them in the United States with American labor. That is not always the case with a lot of things in the power generation business. The country of Kuwait...Had Companies put bids in to build a 14,000 MW power plant and of all the companies who bid only 4 were concidered...My bet would be the quality end of it is why only these four were in the running. Seimens (German) Alstrom (French) Mistubishi Heavy Ind. (Japan) G.E. (American) G.E. out bid all three and got the contract for $2.6 Billion. You can't beat American Quality!!! However G.E has gone into a partnership with M.H.I to build the plant. But I do know that all the Mechanical end of the deal will be made by us American workers...The complete gas turbines will be made in Greenville S.C. All the Steam turbines and Generators will be made here in Schenectady N.Y. By American workers. The plant should be up and running by the end of 2011 or early 2012. And nuke is making a comeback at least for overhauling...G.E. has 3 orders of Nuke steam turbines to do in the next 2 years and maybe 7 more to be added on...They are called mono-blocks weighing on average about 170 tons...Picture that thing spinning at 3600 rpm. There is nothing like standing in front of a 170 ton chunk of steal spinning in a big ass lathe and machining the damn thing...God, I love my job. (Message edited by paw on September 26, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>And nuke is making a comeback at least for overhauling.. There are like 63 Nuke permits that have been reactivated. The reason that New York City has the lowest carbon footprint in America (imagine Gotham as the greenest city . hahahaha) is because we get such a large proportion of our power from nuclear. Nukes are where it is going to be for the next 30 years. I'm placing my personal bet on off shore wind. 14,000 MW makes me drool . . . . I am a 500Meg sort of guy. Call me a small contractor but we seldom do anything over $1B with the exception of our current M-29 project. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I like this idea.... Toshiba Mini-Reactor, which is 20 feet by 6 feet. The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe and totally automatic and will not overheat. Unlike traditional nuclear reactors the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction. The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6, an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons. The Lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits into the reactor core. The whole whole process is self sustaining and can last for up to 40 years, producing electricity for only 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy. Toshiba expects to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 and to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009 | ||
| Paw |
"Nukes are where it is going to be for the next 30 years. I'm placing my personal bet on off shore wind." Court, I think Nukes will be the future all over again...Have you seen how much acres it takes and how many wind turbines it takes to supply the power a nuke plant can. Wind is great but as of right now it cost about 4 to 5 times as much as nuke per KW/HR. In time it will be well worth it but what we need now it reliable big power and nuke is where it's at for many years to come...The only reason nukes are not the main power supply is the 3 mile island melt down...Scared the shit out of a lot of people. G.E has one of the blades to their wind turbines on display at the Schenectady plant and the thing is 70 meters long that almost 130 feet now take the diameter with the coupling and you have a swing of almost a football field Each one needs spaced out accordingly. So you can see how many acres is need for those things. (Message edited by paw on September 26, 2009) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Besides, wind turbines are killing vast numbers of birds !!!! | ||
| Court |
Paw, the 70 metere blades you are describing are from 3kW units. We are currently looking at the new 5.6kW. We're also evaluating blade design. A single blade gains advantage offshore but there are also some advantages, primarily hub design and common usage, with a 3 blade design. I'm working with 3 manufacturers and issued the RFP about 5 weeks ago and had 82 responses within 3 days. Interest is high. Challenges right now are legal. A NY chartered corp is not allowed to own property outside the USA . . that's one. I've having to learn a lot about the Jones Act, which I never even knew existed. And . . . I've "modeled" 4 business models (this is the one that's easiest for me with a background in Corporate Alliances and JV) as we decide how the partners will relate. Another hurdle will be culling partners. Some folks want a piece of the action just to say they are involved in "Green Energy". The recent was of "stimulus money" has also tosses a new wrench in the works. We have folks trying to get us to take sums from $130,000,000 to $150,000,000 so they can say that part of the "stimulus" funded Green Energy Nukes are amazing and we'd have far fewer energy concerns if 3 Mile Island had not imbued the unknowing with unwarranted fear. We are just now (foundations started last month) starting another 500MW CC plant here in NYC. Although not directly involved in the plant (and old friend of mine from Washington state is the GC) I am doing the overhead and 1/2 mile of 345kV transmission and the 345kV GIS SF6 insulated substation. This project will require 1,200 workers working nearly around the clock to meet the completion date. The 200 welders and 800 electricians are already salivating over the overtime. | ||
| Jlnance |
the thing is 70 meters long that almost 130 feet now take the diameter with the coupling and you have a swing of almost a football field Each one needs spaced out accordingly. So you can see how many acres is need for those things. One of my more surreal riding moments was traveling through Iowa on a chilly foggy morning and coming through a patch of windmills. The fog made them invisible until you were right up on them, and as you say they are just huge. Once nice thing about windmills is you can put them in corn fields. The midwest is a vast sea of corn, so dotting it with windmills is somewhat "free."  | ||
| Zac4mac |
I interviewed with GE for a job working on those. Chickened out after climbing up one and out the top, over the cone and into the hub. Cows below looked like ants, damn scary and I was exhausted by the time I got down. I'm too old for that stuff. I'd rather work on nukes, been there done that in the Navy. Z | ||
| Court |
>>>Chickened out after climbing up one and out the top The ones I'm working on at present are 22 miles off the coast . . . so you could simply practice your swan dive. | ||
| Oldog |
I was just in Bloomington Ill the Wind farm there is huge in area, the "turbines" are a little daunting to approach. in a light steady breeze Whuuuuf Whuuuuuuf a road worker that had worked constructing them said that the blades turn in 3 MPH winds, the machines are shut off at 60 mph or in lightning conditions, Bird strikes did not seem to be an issue, 3+Kw in what kind of wind? | ||
| Borrowedbike |
Funny, as I read this I sit at an old coal burner, helping convert to BioMass. Court, How are you transmitting all that power across the surf zone? | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Those Mennonites look like they've never seen a Fag-ioli before. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
3+Kw in what kind of wind? That can't be the power those wind turbines produce. 3kw is only 3000 watts which is the equivalent of two hair dryers. |
