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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How idiotic is it to believe that Alaska would have been better served as a Russian territory?

What idiot believes that territories become states by decree, rather than by the petition/vote of the majority of people of said territories?

How miserable and idiotic is it to put forth the notion that "all the mental energy of our great nation ... (is) used for war and exploitation?

Please stay away from this discussion forum. I just simply cannot tolerate idiots like you. You make me sick, literally.

(Message edited by blake on September 14, 2009)
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Madduck
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A lot of western petro engineers seem to hate this theory. Russia has developed/found more oil in the last ten years than the rest of world combined. They are going down more than 40,000 feet for it tho. Theory may be in question but the experiments are in and this theory lets you find oil at twice the accuracy of all other methods.

I believe the new Brazilian fields in the Gulf of Mexico were also discovered with this methodology. Check out the depth they are also at. There is a very good chance that oil is everywhere if we can drill that deep.
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Hex
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



Welcome to the Tyranny of the BlakeTatership!

First I don't belong on a Buell, and when that makes absolutely no sense, now I don't belong on YOUR forum!

I guess you'll be enjoying a long future of mental masturbation with like minded BlakeTaters!

I'm stayin', ban me if you can't take it.
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Hexangler
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Me too.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh, well, as a paper airplane fanatic, I'd hate to see Hex leave, if only he could give up his delusions that the U.S. govt. can either solve all the problems of the world, or has the desire to rule it.. (or even admit it's at war with religious nuts from the dark ages.)

Make oil from politicians, I say. They are greasy enough to be even better than chicken offal, ( a really neat process, by the way ) and the longer they marinate in D.C. the greasier they get.
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Hex
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I told you I ain't leavin' He'll have to do it Himself.

I didn't make up any of these 'delusions'. I've already cited one of my sources Zeitgeist Addendum. If you want others I'll gladly cite them too. I just find the plausibility fascinating. And the hatred well hateful. Consider the source I guess.

As far as paper airplanes are concerned, this is my favorite 8.5 x 11 fold. Do you know it? Trimmed properly, launch right, glide left, I have had a couple of flights over one minute with the help of small thermals.



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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My favorite is the Barnaby special by Cpt. Ralph Barnaby USN ret. He was a test pilot on, among other things the amphibious troop glider. The Barnaby is both aerobatic & an excellent glider.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-the-Barnaby- Paper-Aeroplane/

I admit that I quit watching that Zeitgeist thing after I figured out they were full of crap. "money from debt" slavery? maybe. It sure is a profitable scam though. Ask the wall street guys who made a fortune off it. The history of support for the mujahideen is very clear ( see "Charlie Wilson's War" and pay close attention to the very end. ( it's a fun movie, and Hanks & the rest of the cast is great. ) Support for Saddam against Iran? you betcha! Cia doing covert crap? You bet! Grand conspiracy? LOL. just the change in admin.s & policy that drives the rest of the world nuts. Can't blame them, we just thrive on the chaos.

You know, if you look at the stock market for 2008-on you see a drop at the same time Obama is nominated. A credible theory is that then, seeing that the Rep. candidate was probably going to lose, and that Obama had based his campaign on class envy & repeated promises of confiscatory taxes on the market. So, the smart guys pulled out their money & put it into goods that profit on chaos & inflation. Sure wish I'd bought gold.... or even afford it.
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Bjbauer
Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys are getting a bit testy about this. I know this is Blakes forum. A Buell MOTORCYCLE forum. I enjoy it very much, thank you Blake. Free speech is our right in this country, thank God. However, this is a private venue and we must respect that. That said there are a lot of half baked ideas I see posted here that are backed up by way too little fact. Scientific fact. The kind you go to college for and get advanced degrees for. That are then tested, peer reviewed, published, debated, retested, republished etc. When it comes to motorcycles and things related to them this forum is great. When it veers into all the other stuff it sometimes does it is sometimes informative but often silly and most don't know what the heck they are talking about. Reposting or quoting questionable nonsense as fact makes me concerned. It spreads like wildfire , especially on the internet, and is hard to put out (think Obama wasn't born in the U.S. when his birth was in the Honolulu paper) When it comes to matters of opinion, I have mine, you have yours etc. (you know what they say about opinions, they are like.....etc) Too often people try to pass off opinion as fact. Respect others opinions for what they are, opinions. Stop trying to pass of as facts what is not backed up by evidence. State it as opinion or wishful thinking and leave it at that. Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight but it just hit a nerve.
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Xbduck
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, uh, I'm not certain what the topic is now, however I find this interesting because there are a number of deep sea trenches that should be filling with organic matter. Yet I don't remember any one talking about them filling, so if they aren't then where is the organic matter going? Given the pressure of the depth and temp of the earths core it must be being transformed into something, somewhere, shouldn't it?

Just a late night thought, got to hit the sack now, later.....
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If oil was made from dinosaurs......then I've burned up a couple this year. Take that times 300 million people in just the US and we have burned them all up... long ago.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A hundred million years of dinosaurs is a lot.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually it's buried swamps. Washington D.C. should be oil soon now. Paperwork, rock, what's the difference?
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Road_thing
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually, it's not dinosaurs so much as as plankton and oceanic micorganisms. We've been over this before.

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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hex, While I wouldn't support Blake banning you for what you have to say I do understand where he's coming from.

I do have to wonder what your intent is with some of what you post. I find myself wondering if you are really so gullible to believe some of what you post. If you really do hold the views that you post it raises the question as to why you are this gullible. Unfortunately for you none of the possible answers to that will speak well of you.

You may well be just trying to stir the pot by being controversial. If that's the case then you are just another internet troll. I can see Blake banning you on those grounds. You seem to allude to this being the case when you state...

quote:

When I say war and exploitation I'm quoting what many believe to be the actual motivation of covert American empire building. I'm not making this up when I question our motives in the middle east.




So I'm curious. I understand that you are not making this stuff up. There's plenty of folks making up stuff on the internet preying on the gullible. No doubt that many folks will believe this stuff as you state. My question to you is do you believe this stuff? I hope you are up to answering this question.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How's he supposed to answer if he's banned?

I'm sad to see him go, hopefully there will be some communication between everybody invloved to work something out.

Eric is a smart guy, a Bueller and a decent person.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Y'all are a bunch of dumbsh!ts!
Even an idiot knows that surveyors have caused every war since Adam and Eve left the garden of Eden.
If they hadn't made all those borders over those thousands of years we'd all be one big happy commune.


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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually when Adam and Eve left the garden, Eve started trolling for a richer guy, that's what kicked wars off.
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bigger Dick Theory
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

China,
Ain't no rich or poor in the commune.
Least that's what Uncle Karl said.
Don't you believe him?

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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No, but I did see what Eve wore while prancing around in the hood.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

think Obama wasn't born in the U.S. when his birth was in the Honolulu paper

How many times must it be said, it doesn't matter whether or not Obama was born on U.S. soil. His father wasn't a citizen, therefore, he isn't a natural born citizen. Just because self-serving jackass politicians have corrupted the Constitution to suit their needs doesn't mean the words on that document have no meaning.
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Bjbauer
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My understanding is that if your mother is a citizen and you are born on U.S. soil you are a natural born citizen. If I am wrong please direct me to the area of U.S. law or the constitution that will clear this up for me. Please, no second hand quotes from people or sources who may or may not be informed correctly.
I don't care for most of what's going on myself but lets argue the issues that are relevant. I was under the impression that issue had been put to rest anyway.
I agree that jackass politicians are screwing with the constitution. That seems to be true no matter what administration we have in there. If you want my opinion we need a new political party. It's easy to be cynical that's for sure.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And then we turned the discussion back to fossils and oil... :/
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Bjbauer
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh, that's what we were talking about. I have some fossils at home. I keep hoping they will start squirting out some oil any time now. Gotta go. It's beer time in South Dakota.
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Madduck
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually most of the case law is from the late 1700's and 1800's when only the father was considered. No laws have ever been changed to give equal weight to the mothers citizenship. Women really didn't count until very recently, ie right to vote.

SCOTUS case that everyone seems to rely on is this one

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?c ourt=US&vol=169&invol=649

The moste relevant passage by Obama supporters is:

"The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: The fourteenth amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens…Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate…and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, ‘If born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen…’"

Citizenship and all its ramifications are detailed in the SCOTUS opinions and no subsequent decision has done any better to resolve these issues. Hence the ongoing debate.

My take is that he is probably a citizen due to his mother being a citizen and we have adopted "suffrage" which would give her equal standing as her husband. "natural born" would not cover him as the clause above in the majority opinion clearly states that the child of a resident alien born here is entitled to the same rights as any "natural born child" of a citzen.

The question has never been put to the SCOTUS as to whether both parents must be citizens for a child to be considered "natural born". The settled case law predates suffrage, thus the Fathers status would be paramount till the SCOTUS rules otherwise.

Read the whole opinion to get the true flavor of the situation the Democratic party has placed us in. The Republicans also clearly nominated an unqualified candidate.

The odds of both major parties nominating constitutionally unqualified candidates, being accidental, seems to me to be laughable}
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Madduck
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This was sent to me so long ago that I cannot quote the original author, but it sums up the feelings of so many of us that really believe the Consitution of the United States still applies.

"I personally don’t care who the President is anymore. I’ll never care again. Both McCain and Obama have damaged the office and this nation severely by their willingness to put us through this. It doesn’t matter who the President is. We’ll still be at war. We will still have poverty, hatred, racism, fascism, sarcasm, nukes, etc… the new boss is the same as the old boss. We do get fooled again. Everytime. But if we let this sit and the chain of command erodes… Goodbye Ms. American Pie."

Wherever this came from and whoever said it should be made president till we can hold another election.
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Moxnix
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Algal Biofuel.
I am confident biofuel makes the most sense in the long run, but don't expect miracles in getting it online. We need cheap and plentiful fuel. Oil is not plentiful, in many regards, and therefore, not cheap. We're in a deflationary period, but no one sees oil dropping to low, low prices.
When things get tough, an alternative to fossil fuels will come along, with a price tag to include development and refineries.
Speaking of fossil fuels, I believe I'll have a nip of buffalo grass vodka; for medicinal purposes only, mind. These old bones have developed a taste for the herb in the bottle.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I still don't understand why it's so freakin difficult for Obama to produce his birth certificate. It's a piece of paper with a date and place of birth. It doesn't give your shoe size or whether or not you've been circumcised. What's the big deal?
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Madduck
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The birth certificate issue is truely fascinating, the President of CNN has publicly stated that the consensus opinion of their investigators is that the document does not exist, and no cause for its disappearance will ever be found. Lots of birth records for that time period were lost, stolen defaced due to the admission of Hawaii into the US in 1959. Obama was born in 1961 and there were huge legal ranglings over native Hawaiins right versus alien rights.

Being born on the islands of a native Hawaiin conferred lots of rights not granted to "citizens". My favvorite story is the one where his mother chose to visit Kenya in her ninth month and the airline wouldn't let her fly back to USA due to her advanced pregnancy, Obama thus was born in Mombassa as his grandmother staes, available on Youtube.

This appears to not be going awasy

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/nh-r ep-rappaport-requests-investigation-of-obamas-elig ibility/

"Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't"
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So what happened to Hex? The guy disrespected EVERY person serving in the military and didn't have a clue that he was doing so. He then disrespects his country in a way that he wouldn't dare to if he was drinking beer in the same room with many Badwebbers. Pretty dumb to then start calling Blake names. Blake is a big boy and can take care of himself but I wouldn't blame Blake for sending Hex to detention after school.

Hex might be happier over at Sacborg where there are more like minded people.
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