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Bjbauer
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:18 pm: | 
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Madduck, thanks for posting that. Very interesting.
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Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:08 am: |
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I think the fact that Barack's birth was announced in the Hawaii newspaper is pretty convincing. He was born here, so he's a natural born citizen. That's always been my understanding. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:50 am: |
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I never saw George Bush's birth certificate.
Algae for diesel please. Lots of it at $1 a gallon. I'd like to see a genetic mod that desalinates, captures metals to be recovered from the leftovers from fuel conversion, and stock in the company that does so. Another that converts human waste into high test, please, I'll pay $1.25 for that. Can we make soylent green from the residue? |
Madduck
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 02:26 am: |
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Blake,
It is settled case law that if both of your parents were legally present in the US at the time of your birth you are a citizen. Most of the finer points have never been decided.
Illegal aliens children for instance could very well not be citizens. Check this from wikpedia.
Main article: Birthright citizenship in the United States of America
The provisions in Section 1 have been interpreted to the effect that children born on United States soil, with very few exceptions, are U.S. citizens. This type of guarantee—legally termed jus soli, or "right of the territory"— does not exist in most of Western Europe, Asia or the Middle East, although it is part of English common law and is common in the Americas. The phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" indicates that there are some exceptions to the universal rule that birth on U.S. soil automatically grants citizenship.
Two Supreme Court precedents were set by the cases of Elk v. Wilkins[7] and United States v. Wong Kim Ark.[8] Elk v. Wilkins established that Native American tribes represented independent political powers with no allegiance to the United States, and that their peoples were under a special jurisdiction of the United States. Children born to these Native American tribes therefore did not qualify for automatic citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment. Indian tribes that paid taxes were exempt from this ruling; their peoples were already citizens by an earlier act of Congress, and all non-citizen Native Americans (called "Indians") were subsequently made citizens by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
In Wong Kim Ark the Supreme Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who were lawfully residing in the United States and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States.
Under these two rulings, the following persons born in the United States are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, and thus do not qualify for automatic citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment:
Children born to foreign diplomats
Children born to enemy forces in hostile occupation of the United States
Children born to Native Americans who are members of tribes not taxed (These were later given full citizenship by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.)
The following persons born in the United States are explicitly citizens:
Children born to U.S. citizens
Children born to aliens who are lawfully inside the United States (resident or visitor), with the intention of amicably interacting with its people and obeying its laws
The Court in Wong Kim Ark did not explicitly decide whether U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" (it was not necessary to answer this question since Wong Kim Ark's parents were legally present in the United States at the time of his birth).
Maybe but not definitely.
The qualifications of President and Vice-President require you to be a natural born citizen. Common law definition was child born here whose father was a citizen at the time of his birth. Mother does not count.
Like many parts of the constitution, a lot of things are not spelled out as everyone understood exactly what was meant and further definition was unwarranted. There is however no question that McCain is not Natural Born and should not have been on any of the ballots. The socialist workers party actually got a citizen of columbia, here on a green card, on a large number of states ballots even tho he met none of the criteria.
Bad year for the constitution, not that anyone cared. Wikipedia.com has an excellent page on "natural born citizen" list all the candidates who have questions regarding eligibility. Lays out arguments but is pretty unbiased.
(Message edited by MadDuck on September 16, 2009) |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 07:43 am: |
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Thanks for the headache doc.  |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 09:08 am: |
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how did thread end up talking about Obama's birth? |
Not_purple_s2
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 09:16 am: |
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Fast1075
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 09:25 am: |
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It is possible that by the process of subduction, organic materials have become intermixed with materials in the mantle.
The migration of hydrocarbons from those subducted areas would APPEAR to have come from inorganic origins.
There....thread back on track  ... |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 09:27 am: |
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So let me pose this question....for our future people, wouldn't it be better if we didn't embalm ourselves, but just let ourselves rot? Think of all the oil China would have in a million years. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:55 am: |
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Now let's look at the realities of all this.
We humans need to burn fuel for heating lighting & transportation
We also rear animals for food. These animals that we rear for food produce tons of highly flammable gas which contribute more to global warming than any other factor (according to some sources). Also their other waste products produce gas in the decomposition phase.
We ourselves produce tons of highly flammable gas during our lifetimes.
So what's the answer?
For the animals we need to collect & concentrate the by products to produce fuel.
For ourselves. GO FART IN A BAG!  |
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