| Author | Message | ||
     Kyrocket |
Just got this in an e-mail and am not passing it off as gospel because I don't know how much gas is produced from a barrel of oil but I did find it humorous and and it seems to fit in with political spending(no matter which side you're on) A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline. A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year. So, the average clunker transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year. They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons/ year. That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil. 5 million barrels of oil is about ¼ of one day's US consumption. And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75/bbl. So, we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million. How good a deal was that??? We need to start limiting all U.S.politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison. Illinois already has begun that plan. | ||
| Halffast |
How about a basic math class for all politicians. | ||
| Raceautobody |
You only figured for one year. I sure would think all those new cars will last a bit longer than that. And the oil prices won't stay flat at $75\barrel for the life of those cars. Al | ||
| Froggy |
Also not the mention the significant reduction of emissions over the course of a vehicles life, and the stimulation of the economy. | ||
| Dano_12s |
Wait till tax time when they pay have to pay tax on that $$$$. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Dont forget that most of the clunkers were paid for, and now a new car loan, with the current economic situation of credit... How long before you get to see the defaults on those loans? (cause lets face it 3.9% with zero down, is exactly the kind of thing that got the housing market in trouble) | ||
| Midknyte |
Also not the mention the significant reduction of emissions over the course of a vehicles life You wanna reduce emissions? Get rid of the drive thru at Taco Bells...  | ||
| Cataract2 |
Also not the mention the significant reduction of emissions over the course of a vehicles life Sure, until the repos begin. Then, so much for that idea. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
it's such a nice day out here that I'm going to leave my clunker in the driveway and go ride my Buell instead! But I haven't drove my car in two weeks now so maybe I better put the trickle charger on it before I leave. | ||
| Froggy |
It won't be taxed at the federal level, but depending on where you live you might pay other taxes.
+1 to that, drive through are a black hole that sucks gas and pollutes excessively.
It would be no different if C4C never existed. All this did was made it a little more affordable for people.
Repos would happen regardless of this. Too many people are stupid when it comes to money. Cyclonedon, I have to keep mine on a charger, the last 2 times I used my car it was dead, yet the battery is a year old. Guess thats what happens after sitting for a few months! | ||
| Kyrocket |
No kidding about Taco Bell. When I worked in Ohio in '95 I was in a drive through for 45 minutes and couldn't get out. Now in my hometown Taco Bell is the ONLY drive through that you cannot get out of because of the curbs on each side of you. And as far as the original post, I didn't write it, didn't do the math or support it either way. Just thought it funny and posted it. No skin off my nose, I've been driving a '96 Avalon for almost seven years and usually getting better gas mileage than what the new ones had to get. | ||
| Patrick2cents |
so i hate to rain on some people's parades, but a great majority of 'emissions' (depending on what you count in this category) are caused through the production of a car... we seem to forget about this since it is nice and easy to look at a vehicle, but forget where they come from. it takes a whole lot of energy to manufacture things like steel, plastics, textiles etc. and to a lesser degree assembly and transportation. so even if the math for C4C makes sense framed in the above context, it fails horribly in this aspect. (in addition, it isn't an energy free process to recycle a car, far from! so you get burned on the backside as well) just my 2c | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
...not to mention the energy required to make all those new cars. Back in college an ecology professor told me that it takes on average about 600 barrels of oil to make one new car. I can't vouch for that, but it at least reinforces that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
When I get eco warriors having a pop about me driving my gas guzzling 40 year old Dodge pickup, I just ask them how much energy I've saved the planet by not buying a new car every few years. Shuts em up every time.  | ||
| Raceautobody |
so i hate to rain on some people's parades, but a great majority of 'emissions' (depending on what you count in this category) are caused through the production of a car... All the cars purchased though C4C were from dealer stock. They were all already producted. | ||
| Court |
Shhhh . . . . folks haven't figured out yet that Hybrids and electric cars . . . have much higher emissions . . . just not out the tailpipe. Guess what happens every night you plug your Chevy Volt in . . . across town at my 500MW powerplant? | ||
| Just_ziptab |
All the cars purchased though C4C were from dealer stock. They were all already producted
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| Daves |
Exactly Court. The energy to recharge your electric clown car doesn't come free either. Iowa is on a wind generator kick with 100s of them going up. Court, is there a downside to this? | ||
| Delta_one |
because of the batteries on the hybrid electrics they have a larger eco footprint than an SUV, due to both manufacture and disposal. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
We need a "magic fuel" for internal combustion engines. Electricity ain't gonna get it when you want to haul your RV or boat across three states in two days. We are wasting oil like there is no end to it's supply. Cash for clinkers just increased that waste....new car/cheap fuel..............going places the old one couldn't/wouldn't. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
Guess what happens every night you plug your Chevy Volt in . . . across town at my 500MW powerplant Chances are your not importing that fuel. The plus side to electric is that you have multiple ways to get that power. Wind, coal, water, Nuclear ect We need a "magic fuel" for internal combustion engines. Its called BioDiesel. People have a hard time believing it but Bio is a real alternative that get pushed by the wayside for bullcrap reasons. Ive driven my bombed diesel pickup for almost 200K on 100% Bio.It actually runs better than dino. The closest arguement Ive heard to a real problem is lack of seed to make oil out of. Its balony. The U.S. Exports 2/3rds of our soybeans. That alone is enough to be fuel independent. Raise the price of beans a touch and farmers will plant more. Another fact is Biodiesel can be made from most any seed, not just soybeans. Ive even made it from fish oil. (Message edited by rpm4x4 on September 13, 2009) | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Its called BioDiesel Local bioDdiesel plant has been completed for almost a year. Has not produced a drop of fuel..........soy beans are too high priced to make it profitable to start up opperation..........  (Message edited by just_ziptab on September 13, 2009) | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
.soy beans are too high priced to make it profitable to start up opperation.......... When diesel hits $4.50 a gallon again you can bet it will be profitable. I never said it would be cheap, I said its a real alternative. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Vested interests huh? | ||
| Sifo |
More bad news for hybrid cars. How long before we run out of rare earth metals? It would be no different if C4C never existed. All this did was made it a little more affordable for people. It also made it just a bit harder for us to replace our 98 Buick Century. Repos would happen regardless of this. Too many people are stupid when it comes to money. The government encouraged people to purchase cars they could not afford. It's the same thing that was done in home mortgages that lead to the meltdown that we are currently hoping to recover from. I guess the mortgage crisis would have happened even without the crazy mortgages that were being offered to get folks into houses. Sure many people are stupid with money. I just wish the government didn't feel the need to repeatedly prove that with the money that they take from me. | ||
| Texastechx1 |
Hyrdrogen cars FTMFW... just wait | ||
| Sifo |
Hydrogen is nothing but a storage medium for energy. There is little point to it in the automotive industry. |
