| Author | Message | ||
     Lemonchili_x1 |
Earlier in the year I wanted to buy a Canon G10, but they were a bit more than I wanted to spend, and I decided the SX10is had all the features I wanted (plus a bit). I never got around to buying a camera 'til now, and the price of the G10 has dropped to within $100 or so of the SX10 ($500-ish). My original budget was $500. I know there are a few fans of the G10 here, and they get great reviews, so I was wondering if you think it's worth spending the extra?  The most demanding use will be taking photo's of bands - inside, low light, trying to get nice motion effects. Hopefully we'll get some good shots to use as album and poster artwork. It will also be used for static shots of bikes and cars, maybe some action stuff, and landscapes. The features I want, which both cameras have, is: The ability to go manual, Wide angle to 150-ish zoom (G10 is 140), Internal view finder (less and less cameras seem to have this) Decent size screen, 2.5"+ Thoughts? cheers, chili  | ||
| Glitch |
Thoughts? Not on the camera, sorry, I'm ignorant of things photographic. Please though, how do I get a hold of y'alls albums/music? | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
The G10 is a great camera, however it does have a bit of a noise problem in low light. Canon has just announced the G11, ( this type of mass produced camera is normally updated every year), which specifically addresses the noise problem by using less megapixels to increase the signal to noise ratio. Preliminary sample photos released by Canon show a noticeable improvement in image quality When the G11 comes out in October, you probably will be able to get a like new used G10 for about $300, as owners upgrade. ( Mine is already spoken for:-). For the use you are suggesting, I would much prefer a used Canon Digital Rebel. These are widely available, as owners upgrade, and they have two very important advantages for low light work: much bigger digital sensor, and much larger available lens opening. The maximum lens opening of the G10 is f 2.8, but goes down to f4.5 as the lens is zoomed out. In addition the internal finder of the G10 is virtually worthless. I never use it. However the screen is very bright and sharp and most people use it as a view finder . Just my .02¢ | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Glitch - No album yet, but you can check out the tunes at http://www.myspace.com/thelemonchiliproject or do a search on facebook or iLike for "The Lemonchili Project" Jon - Thanks, I think you were the one who first mentioned the G10 a while ago. I'm guessing the G10 will still be significantly better in low light than anything I've had before (a Nikon 6006 SLR which I still have somewhere, and a couple of Kodak digital compacts). Any idea if the SX10is would be much worse in low light? I'm a little hesitant to buy a digital camera used, though there are a couple of good used camera shops here. | ||
| Brinnutz |
Dude... G10 shoots RAW and RAW+JPEG, get it. And get a really freaking huge storage card! Shooting in RAW gives you so much more editing capabilities!!! | ||
| Jonny5 |
Any "Point & Shoot" with a small sensor is going to suffer in low light. Your best bet would be to bite the bullet and go with the Rebel XS ($599 new). When lots of photosites are crammed on a small sensor quality always suffers. Low light is the first place you'll notice it. The EOS line has larger sensors and you get great results with the high "ISO" settings. Just my 2 cents. | ||
| Bosh |
G10's are great little cameras. My kid bought me one last fathers day and I love it. Like Jon said, not really the right tool for serious low light work, but if you search some of the G10 galleries folks that know what they are doing can do some fine work. As you know it has a nice form factor and is easy to carry around. Prices will be dropping fast as the G11 comes on the market. BTW I think the G11 retails for $499 so you may want to look that way too. It has a new Digic 4 image processor that is supposed to offer a 3 stop advantage in low light compared to the 10. Not to mention the swivel screen, which I really miss (on my old G5). | ||
| Court |
The G10 is phenomenal. This is about 20 minutes ago . . . . group of models and I shot about 45 pics from half way down the block with the G10.  | ||
| Court |
From last Wednesday. http://picasaweb.google.com/photogotham/August2520 0902?authkey=Gv1sRgCImEkf2puZ2ZVw# | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Models!?!?  Camera's are worse than mobile phones... G10 is being replaced by G11, and the SX10is is just about to be superseded by the SX20is... So prices for both superseded models should drop. Extra zoom of SX10 is appealing for motorsport stuff. The Rebel, aka EOS 1000D, with one lense is $900+ here, more than I want spend at this stage. | ||
| Court |
I'd agree about the low-light. If you want the best low light performance for the $#$ . . .you've got one choice, the Nikon D90. It's the consumer version of the D300, yet does more, has more than the D300. Here is a G10 shot from backyard this morning when I let the dog out . . .  | ||
| Spiderman |
I prefer the...  | ||
| U4euh |
I have the SX10. Love it for what I do, which is\similar to what your talking. The low light really depends on how low and what the subject is. IE-I can take really good pictures in the local dance club lit up by neon and a few bar lights. The only problem with the low light setting the camera will sometimes get 'confused' when monitering the conditions. It will not take the picture when the shutter is pushed. Now if you will raise the flash, this problem ceases to exist. Action shots are sometimes difficult because the viewfinder will go black from the time you push the button till the time it is recorded, but if you can get use to following the subject without looking through the camera, it takes great action also. my 2 cents | ||
| Ccryder |
From an S2 IS:  Low light and all. I'm waiting on the S1X IS for the CMOS & HD video. | ||
| Hex |
http://dpreview.com/ This site should help you make your decision. | ||
| Thetable |
I'm waiting for some tests on the G11, which is supposed to be out in October. Failing that, I really have a thing for the Panasonic LX3. I know that it's not in the zoom range you are looking for, but if you can live without the big zoom, the lens is incredibly fast for a compact. I've been really impressed with the image quality of the Leica lens on my ZS1.  | ||
| Rkc00 |
I would wait for the G11. That is what I am doing. Mike Long Island, NY 09 XB12X Red/Black 06 VRSCR Blue/Silver | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
To be honest, the more I read, the more confused I get, lol! I had originally planned to get something like the SX10is or G10 for gigs etc, and also buy something small and cheap to replace the Kodak V530 I dropped, something to just keep in my pocket/bag/car (but not too expensive in case I drop it!). I had looked at dpreview before, but started reading their comparison tests tonight. I'm leaning towards the SX10 still, but another option is getting something like a ZS3 and getting a DSLR, eg a Rebel, later... | ||
| Thetable |
What about one of the waterproof/shockproof options. I tend to keep an old Olympus 790SW. It rarely leaves my tank bag. I've dropped it repeatedly, gotten it good and wet, and it keeps taking pics. The other nice thing is that it doesn't have an extending lens, so I can drop it in the tank bag while riding without turning it off. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
G11 is going to be waaaaay more than I want to spend now  Do you have manual options on the ZS1? The ZS3 looks nice. One of the things I want to be able to do with band shots is have some motion to get some life in the pic, but some of the compacts seem to do everything they can to stop any motion blur. I never quite mastered fooling my Kodak into doing that. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Just purchased a ZS3 for an upcoming vacation, can't wait to try her out! | ||
| Thetable |
Now I see, we are talking Australian dollars and pricing. Right now, there looks to be a difference of only 10USD, for street prices, between the G10 and G11. Hopefully when the G11 comes out, there should be a decent influx of G10s into the used market. The ZS1, well some manual control, but mostly playing around with the scene modes to get the desired effect.
Just try to get the battery through a couple charge cycles. The first few cycles on my battery, were less than impressive. Since then, it has gotten much better. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Just try to get the battery through a couple charge cycles. The first few cycles on my battery, were less than impressive. Since then, it has gotten much better. Thanks for the info as replacement batteries are on backorder everywhere and they have id chips so you can't use aftermarket! | ||
| Jonny5 |
If you end up going the compact "point and shoot" route - make sure you get one with some manual controls. The G10 would be a good example ($489.95 at B&H). Slowing down the shutter speed (TV mode on Canons) will give you the motion your looking for in your photos and will also allow more light in. Looks like they have used G10's at B&H for $399 - not a bad price. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Canon G11 is due here in October, so no real "street pricing" available yet. Price is around $850 at the moment, compared to $650-ish for G10. "Slowing down the shutter speed " That's what I was thinking, and kind of why I keep thinking of Canon's as more of there models still have manual mode. I'm going to try and get to a decent camera shop this weekend and have a look at things. |
