| Author | Message | ||
     Jon |
Reg, You need to get some kind of certification as a safety/improvement program. There has to be some kind of affordable coverage for that. | ||
| Snail |
Rocket, one of my favorite pleasures is makeing you cry. I'm not giving that up. | ||
| Jon |
One of my favorite pleasures is watching Rocket flip back and forth like a weathervane in a tornado. I also like Tin Roof ice cream...and I sure ain't giving that up. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Yeah, Court made us do it, officer! I mean, look at those shifty eyes! And he's from NEW YORK! | ||
| Jon |
..."Officer, while you hand-cuff Court, can I have his wallet? In addition to his poor decision making with respect to the bank, he also He owes me and Mushman about 140 dollars for stealing from us. You see, we were raising money for a local Police Youth Activity program....and well, Court took the money to feed his gas habit....what with the Busa and all." The shame!! When that Cop said he was going to "work this guy over", what do you think he was talking about?  (Message edited by jon on February 06, 2007) | ||
| Captpete |
A muffled voice, emanating from a closet in the back room: Jim: Yer banned! For outing me. Mind yer own business. I’ve tried to ban Snail five times now, for attempted hostile takeovers. But every time I’m about to drop the lever, he posts something that makes me laugh out loud, and I have to start all over again. It’s damned frustrating! I can’t ban Rocket. The last time we were together, I smoked up all his dope. That debt hasn’t been repaid yet. Blake: Yer on a one-week administrative leave of absence. I wanna see where this thread goes with no intervention. There’s some good ass-showin’ going on here. This job’s impossible. No one in their right mind would do it. | ||
| Stealthxb |
This discussion has taken some rather interesting turns. Glad I wore my pucks. Why do you hold that the service sector is less valuable than manufacturing? Laissez-faire physiocrats maintain that AGRICULTURE is actually the only genuinely productive industry. Manufacture, commerce and services are non-productive work and made possible by surplus in agriculture. American enterprise is still the best thing going. But severely limited by enviro-Nazi regulations that level the playing field. I am having trouble understanding why there are so many obvious marketing related issues surrounding Buell. I guess they are rooted in the success of Harley. I found Reg's statement rather interesting: Do you know, at one time it was seriously thought that this motorcycle was going to strongly appeal to the skateboard/snowboard crowd? I was stunned when told that! This "crowd" is largely responsible for the growth of Stunting and Motard Racing. The kids that grew up riding boards are the ones riding bikes today. Although the categorization may be lame the intent of the statement accurate. I enjoyed the conundrum of compromise you brought to light. Interesting point-of-view on committees. So many other issues with Buell have been dealer related. Buell's selling through a distribution channel that is know as best in class, world wide, for creating loyal customers, one might say, rabid customers SHOULD be a strength Unfortunately this is not the case.. and a MEMO is not gonna change it. I was happy to see a reduction in the amount of authorized dealers. Buell avoids compromising quality for quantity in the manufacturing phase; the same attention to detail should be paid in distribution. I think a shortsighted Hypersport approach would do nothing to increase the likelihood of stand-alone Buell dealers. But moving dirt is a hole shot to paving the way to both engine engineering and independent dealerships. From a design standpoint I would love to see Erik's treatment of a Hypersport. From a business perspective I see more appealing opportunities. Personally I hope the following remains true: Everything Erik does is not just for performance, but for STREET PERFORMANCE. But | ||
| Court |
>>>>Yeah, Court made us do it, officer! I mean, look at those shifty eyes! And he's from NEW YORK! Shifty eyes? I am cute and innocent. I am also quick to point out that the last nasty run in I had with the law was ONLY because I was mistaken, wearing a helmet while riding a Buell in Mukwonago, for a certain engineer from Mukwonago. Seems the locals that day were trolling for the "big bass in the pond". . . I was promptly thrown back.  | ||
| Court |
By the way . . . for a RRE, I'd be willing to pony up and "entry fee" to help Hal's underwrite the cost. REAL REG don't come cheap . . . but it's darn sure worth it! Now THAT would be a HOMECOMING to remember. | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket, one of my favorite pleasures is making you cry. Nice to know I hold such a special place in your heart sweetie.  Rocket | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Yeah, Court made us do it, officer! I mean, look at those shifty eyes! And he's from NEW YORK! Aw, Court is just a harmless lil fuzzball. | ||
| Snail |
Now that we seem to have exhausted our sociological differences, can we discuss hyperbikes? Two years ago I met a Buell factory rep. at Laguna Seca GP races. Can't recall his name, great guy. We discussed exactly the topic of this thread, and he indicated that there was some effort being made toward a revo engine with a factory turbo. Now, that would be cool in a Buell! Say, 200 RELIABLE HP, and a factory warranty. I'd buy one. | ||
| Glitch |
What all would it take to get a revo engine to 200 HP, and still keep it to EPA standards, and keep production costs low enough to produce? Seriously. | ||
| Oz666 |
2406cc... (Not so seriously, but the brute force method DOES have some advantages)   Oz "Nobody gets in to see the Wizard. Not nobody, not no how." | ||
| Snail |
I don't agree with the big displacement theory as the best way to get power. A turbo and advanced fuel injection should be capable of doing the job. If you consider that I beat several large bore Haybusas (1650 cc blown fuel) with a 1000 cc Gix engine it would appear that the key is pumping fuel and air through the engine, not dispalcement per se. As for the question regarding EPA, I don't have a clue. I'll eave that to the engineers. I was able to make 340 HP out of a 1K engine, me a hick, in my country bumpkin shop in the sticks, wtih no training at all. I did that in two years of doing shit wrong, then right, then wrong, then right.....ad in finitum. | ||
| Snail |
Oh, by the way, that engine I built also made 163 ft. lbs. torque. | ||
| Oz666 |
Back in the dark ages (before there were dynos easily available) I was involved pretty deeply with H2 (Kawasaki) drag bikes. The only indicator we had that we were making more (or less) power were the timing slips. I DO remember that more displacement actually slowed them down - quite a bit. The best guess was that the only oversize pistons available weighed ~50g more than stock. 20-25g more when lightened as much as we could and not have them break. We didn't know jack about flame fronts or squish - I built a flowbox with a shopvac and plywood and used a piece of thread glued to a brazing rod to evaluate porting. The bikes IDLED at ~7K... scared the shite out of me. I wouldn't ride `em. Sure did sound cool `tho... (sigh) Oz "Nobody gets in to see the Wizard. Not nobody, not no how." | ||
| Xl1200r |
The argument for more displacement is simple: Increasing displacement is the cheapest and easiest way to make more power when you're talking about designing (or redesigning) a new engine. Now, here's the beauty - Lets say you have a 2000cc engine that makes a reliable 200hp. Lets say you also have a 1000cc engine that makes the same reliable 200hp, but uses things things like turbo-charging and direct injection to do it. Is one better than the other? There are arguments on both sides for that, but as far as numbers go, no - they are the same. But tickle yourself with this - all those little tricks you used on the 1000cc engine to match the power of the 2000cc engine can ALL be applied to the 2000cc engine, which makes it the clear winner. More engine volume is just one of many power adders - no different than DOHC or turbos. | ||
| Jima4media |
A Turbo Revo powered bike would be pretty cool. Should be no problem to make 200HP with the current 1350cc Revo. I've always wanted the Carroll Shelby Cobra version of a motorcycle. Yesterday it was announced that Rucker would make one with a 128 inch S&S motor. Arlen Ness will be selling them out of his store in Dublin, CA, provided they can pass California EPA. Jim | ||
| Jaimec |
I'd think you'd want a hyperbike capable of competing in existing racing classes. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday, right? Right now I'm not aware of any classes outside of the dragstrip that allow 2000cc turbo or supercharged engines. Keep it to 1000cc and build a bike that would conform to AMA Superbike, World Superbike and British Superbike regulations then let the fur fly! C'mon, the Italians can't be the ONLY ones who know how to build a high performance V-Twin! | ||
| Ducxl |
Gentleman Jon said it best: Simply put, as specific output per cubic inch of displacement rises, the engine generates more and more heat. At a certain point, air cooling can no longer cool the motor adequately, and the engine overheats. Overheating causes the engine to fail, often by seizing. the size of the finning would be enormous.WOW you really try hard to defy the laws of physics Mr.XL1200r.In the end though,it's watercooling which is the next logical step to increased performance.That's why there are NO aircooled engines in ALL of moto GP,WSBK,or AMA superbike.Put denial in the closet. | ||
| Jima4media |
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| Indy_bueller |
C'mon, the Italians can't be the ONLY ones who know how to build a high performance V-Twin! Nope, I'm sure Buell could build one too. But lets not forget that those sexy Italian ladies come with equally sexy price tags. Its a dilemma for sure. You can have a sooper dooper V-Twin, but you have to be willing to fork out the cash. At what point do you just say "screw it" and design something different that is inherently better at producing power? | ||
| Jaimec |
Those sexy Italian ladies still cost less than an XBRR, and they're street legal too... | ||
| Bomber |
Late WW2 aircooled aircraft engines produced a great deal of power -- I know there are differences, but I think it shows that there's more life in air-cooled mills than some might think . . . . | ||
| Oldog |
Ducati Ducati ER no. KTM ~ 115 rwhp, dry sump, EFI, 77deg V2, water cooled, 6 speed, All of the trik stuff you could want, WP front and rear, brembo brakes, alloy rims 406 dry with a steel frame! "available 2/07" " kicking ass on a street near you. 14k msrp... lets see sell the truck, eat pbj, live in a tent, er maybe .. Me I am thinking hard... | ||
| Bomber |
Dog -- er, KTM's not been known for timely product introductions .. I think ya got time to knock over a couple of ATMs and liquor stores, too ;-} | ||
| Rainman |
Ducati 1098 MSRP is $14.9 K. H-D Softail Deluxe is about $17.5 K. Build a better, faster Buell and price it at $14 K and you're in the price range. | ||
| Jon |
Alright, now I'm going to say something really stupid. Observe. I don't need nor can I relate to a hyperbike. I love my X1. It may be that I am silly and ignorant. But I love it. It will always do the trick for me. I'm going to go to Reno Fernley in July to have Vik Anderson and Shawn Reilly (or their associates) show me how to scare myself and smile at the same time. I know I will never whip that bike and put it the corner, then get another one that is faster becuase it's time to "move up". Will I have other bikes later? Very likely. I have three other makes now. Will I sell the X1? Not likely. Here's a person who represents where I would like to be as a rider (with out the accidents though) when I "grow up". Bill Keyes. Bill has been riding bikes since he was a pup. He rides like a madman and rides ALL THE TIME. Bill is an addict. He is not foolish or naive. He is very familiar with the many bikes and types available. He still rides Buell. Got the new Lightning Long recently because he broke his other lightning in half or some such thing. Bill can out ride MANY of the people here. He's about in his 50's I believe. Why doesn't a guy like that need a hyper bike? Why in the world would Buell make a hyper bike? Unless it was really a factory drag bike that could be street legal also. Makes no sense and cannot be part of the Buell business model. No way. They're doing something else. Something that works for dudes like me and Bill. I think it would be stupid if they did. SO THERE!!!  | ||
| Jaimec |
You and Bill can still have the bikes you want. We're talking about opening up to a NEW market. Again, like BMW did in the early eighties with the K bike. They're still building do-it-all boxers, but they're expanding into other markets as well. |
