| Author | Message | ||
     Crusty |
I just spent the past while looking at other brand specific forums. I looked at BMW, Triumph, Moto Guzzi and Yamaha forums. Now, I didn't spend a lot of time on each one, but I didn't see the kind of negativity that Buell forums seem to attract. Now, I have my likes and dislikes, like most people. I personally dislike BMWs, and the odds of me owning another one make the lottery look like a sure thing. However, I'm not about to hang out on BMW forums and criticize every thing about the bikes that I can. And, from what I see, others don't do that, either. Why does it happen so much on Buell forums? Not just here on Badweb, but over at ATC and Sacborg as well. Sometimes, this stuff makes no sense at all to me. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
 I dunno, I like mine...... | ||
| Jaimec |
Me, I like BMW motorcycles. Unfortunately, as good as the engineers are, the corporate marketing types are a bunch of MORONS... | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Tdiddy |
There does seem to be a lot of negative comments on the Buell web boards. I think when you feel really passionate about something the good points are all puppys and duckys. The bad points are the end of the world. People who choose to buy and ride Buell motorcycles are very passionate about their bikes. I love mine . | ||
| Kootenay |
Buell riders do seem more passionate than, say, Honda riders...at least about their choice of brand. It might be because we get tired of always being derided (check out any threads on Buells on the non-brand-specific sites...). | ||
| Metalstorm |
Love is the same as hate. It's just the other end of the spectrum. Buells just create an enormous amount of passion. It doesn't matter which end of the spectrum you're on, the passion is just as powerful. That's all I can think of anyway. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Maybe even the people who've had bad experiences with their Buells just can't pull themselves away. Like a sick addiction. A sick yet exhilarating addiction... Damn, I need to go ride, WAY too much time spent on badweb. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
i read something on here one time about the fact that most of us are to independent.or to individual. that we don't fit the norm of the typical biker because of our preference in the bike we bought. so therefore we all have individual opinions on everything in life except the bike. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I love my two Buells, 98 S1 and 98 S3, wouldn't part with either one for any other bike out there. I also love my Dnepr but then again I'm just odd. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I used to hang out on an SV650 board because I was a fan of the bike. Most of the members of the board were beginners in the first year riding. I was absolutely shocked at the animosity I got from a majority of the members when they found out I rode a Buell. Most of it was irrational. I abandoned the board after some noob rider started lecturing me on what makes a real motorcyclist and what constitutes a real motorcycle. I told them they were just as dense and wrongheaded as the Harley guys who sneered at me on my Suzuki back in the 70's. Of course... they didn't understand. I still like the SV650, but I'd never get one just out of spite. | ||
| Aldaytona |
I like the bikes I like, I don't care what others think about my bikes. I don't compare my bikes with other brands, faster or slower, if I wanted a faster bike I would have bought one. I don't think of a bike as a starting place to bastardize. I realize the factory engineers are smarter than me and I buy the ones that I like so I don't have to change them. I buy what works for me and don't buy what looks good and try to make it it comfy. I don't particularly like Jap bikes, some of my friends do, I don't get it. I like simple, low maintenance bikes like Harleys and Buells. Bottom line is if you don't like my bikes, I'll quote "The Kid from Brooklyn"............. "Go F*** Yourself" | ||
| Doon |
djk: I traded my SV650 in on my Lightning. While I enjoyed my SV, I love my Buell. I can understand brand loyalty, but to show animosity against others for their choice of ride, it seems counter productive. My mentality is that if you are on < 4 wheels (don't want to leave our Trike Riding friends out), that we are all part of 1 big dysfunctional family. Guess it is the same as to who you wave to when riding. As for the negativity, My guess is that it is all about the passion. When you have strong feelings about something you will tend to be more super critical of it. As for the negativity we draw from other ignant bikers, it is cause our choice of bike tends to be the blacksheep of the both the HD crowd, and of the other sportbikes. Then again I'm only on my first cup of coffee and so far it has been idiot day at the races at the office, so I could be on the good stuff.. Oh and that can o worms pic is awesome... | ||
| Rainman |
I can't say what it is for sure. I can tell you that when I took the Rider's Edge instructor prep course and we were given one of almost everything Harley makes to ride, this former Wing rider was the one who fell in love with the XB9 Firebolt. Everyone thought I was a little looney, but I kept gravitating to that. So, when my Wing died for the last time (it's a long story, but it's not its fault. Blame it on a previous owner) I wound up with a Buell. PS: If you REALLY want to catch animosity, flak and be the butt of jokes, ride a Blast.} | ||
| Typeone |
Why does it happen? two letters.. . H-D . ..that's why | ||
| Ducxl |
As for the negativity, My guess is that it is all about the passion. When you have strong feelings about something you will tend to be more super critical of it. That pretty much sums it up for me.I love my Buells'(plural),but see sites like this as a way of attempting to prod the mother company into making something even better.And we can do without the silly TT plates.Remember "never add complexity for complexities sake"? Who said that? Oh yeah,Crusty you obviously missed Speedzilla,where the Duc guys share the forum with the RC51 guys' who often ridicule each other. | ||
| Teeps |
People want to hear bad news, problems and complaints. And, it's generally easier to list problems/complaints, than what is right. All the things right with the Buell, is why I bought mine. The few things not right (by me) I can get past. And, if they are addressed by future updates. Then add one to the plus side for me. | ||
| Kootenay |
I used to hang out on an SV650 board...I was absolutely shocked at the animosity I got from a majority of the members when they found out I rode a Buell. Most of it was irrational. I was considering buying an SV650S before I bought my XB9R. When I posted my thoughts on a non-specific motorcycle forum, every single respondent recommended the SV over the Buell, for all kinds of reasons (basically, the concensus was the SV would give similar performance with superior reliability). I am very happy that I did NOT follow their recommendations--a buddy has an SV1000S, and I prefer my Buell to it hands down (there is so much more to riding than horsepower!) | ||
| Rick_a |
I think about anything on two wheels has some merit. A lot of people have some animosity towards Buells and as an owner I find myself constantly on the defense from people who don't understand. I think that may have something to do with it. Regardless of how far they've come along, there is still some stigma attached to the brand, and plainly most don't understand why someone would buy an expensive sportbike with such an oddball motor. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I've had motorcycles built by Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, and Honda. All of them (except for one) was an excellent motorcycle that gave me no trouble and ran great. I kept every one of them for maybe 3 years (at the most) and would get the latest greatest and start the whole cycle over again. I was on that treadmill during the 80's and most of the 90's until I got my Buell. I've had my M2 for 6 1/2 years now and have no intention of trading it in. I've kept this bike twice as long as any bike I've had since 1976 and it still puts a smile on my face everytime I ride it. I don't need to rationalize my Buell ownership to anyone, least of all some kid who just got his first bike and thinks he knows it all. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Well put Dj. G2 | ||
| Diablobrian |
Djkaplan- well spoken/written. People will try to tear down others in order to feel better about themselves and justify their own choices and/or actions. That behavior has been around since the beginning of human history. It is especially obvious in a more tribal kind of situation as, in motorcycle riding groups. Or in competition for the attention of the opposite sex. (remember high school?) | ||
| Borrowedbike |
A Buell is like Punk Rock. "If your listening to the words you just don't get it." Similarly, if you'r just comparing numbers you won't buy a Buell, you don't get it. And thats fine, you don't need to. It is my opinion that you will buy a Buell only if you like a rowdy bit of soul, something mildly different, something primal. I'm on the extreme edge of the scale, and I like it here. Part of living here is accepting that those that listen to the top 100 will be critical of my punk rock choices. It's the same with Buells, you get it or you don't. If people want to be critical and make an intelligent argument, fine. There are plenty of "problems" with the Buell design other manufactures have chosen to address with engineering. Each of these "problems" is a trade for some aspect of form, fit, or function that Buell choses. Choices made to honor their (His) design concept, customer base, or (god forbid) profit margin. It's still my choice to ride a Buell. | ||
| Blake |
Crusty, I've wondered the same thing myself more than you can probably imagine. I've come to the following conclusions: Sadly, some folks revel in spreading miserableness and at the same time they feel some sort of twisted elation at being seen (by themselves at least) as "standing up to" people of significant accomplishment, people like Erik Buell, Willie G. or Bill Gates. You know the type. Others are personally threatened by those who choose different paths from their own. When they see those of different paths having fun and ejoying themselves, it turns them inside out with ego-driven self-doubt to the point of engaging in miserableness; they want to wreck the fun of others to ensure themselves that their chosen path (motorcycle) and thus they themselves are superior. Basically, some folks define themselves by their posessions. | ||
| Jscott |
"Choices made to honor their (His) design concept, customer base, or (god forbid) profit margin." Reading into this line explains alot. Notice the capitalization of "His" when refering to Erik and the lower case in "god forbid" when refering to The Almighty Yahweh.  | ||
| Etennuly |
I for one appreciate this BadWeb. I have owned fifteen bikes over the years and never have been as pleased to own a particular brand of bike because of it. I have come to understand the issues facing the first year Ulysses, and have received the kind of help and support that I would like to see from a dealership, from all of you on the BadWeb. The problems we have faced on our bikes are discussed openly and intelligently here, thus we work through and solve those problems. That is my goal, simply a solution to a problem. The dealerships want to hold the solutions for ransom.....er profit. Then there are the problems that we have faced and couldn't prove when it was in the shop. So when it becomes un-profitable to find the solution we get the "we couldn't find it" or "it didn't show a code". You all have helped me keep my sanity when facing the "mystery" problems, like when the service manager looks at you like you are nuts or just hearing things. Keep on bitchin' BadWeb, it is how issues get resolved when motor company help is limited, reserved or just shi$$y. Our research here is better than ANY feedback we'd ever get from ANY motor company.  | ||
| Tdiddy |
There are a few places on PCH I like to stop at and have a cup of coffie or some fish n' chips. The one place I almost never pass is Neptune's Net. Always 5 to 20 bike's parked. Never seen another Buell sense I've owned one. Full track preped racers, wedding cake choppers, GS go everywheres. You name it, it there from everywhere. I met a guy from Germany 2 weeks ago, on his way to South America on a BMW. Most of the people I've talked with, not motorcycle people, almost always say the same thing in about my bike, they have never seen anything like that befour or they always thought Buells were cool. I've always liked talking to people on my weekend rides and the attention my bike draws is really cool. It begs for questions. This is one of the benifets of ownership that almost equal the ride. You don't seem to get that with the other brands. You can mistake a Honda for a Kawi for a Yamaha for a Suzi. There's no mistaking a Buell. | ||
| Pwnzor |
There's no mistaking a Buell. The most common question I get is, "is that the new Ducati?" | ||
| Tdiddy |
I get the Duc question alot too. | ||
| Diablobrian |
now that the 1098 is out I expect to get the ducati question a LOT more  Maybe I should just paint it like a "tricolore" and get it over with? (never gonna happen) |
